Migrants' Monthly Payments Are Higher Than New Yorkers' SNAP Benefits

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  1. Zxereus

    Zxereus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These are YOUR tax dollars at work!
    We wonder why they are flooding in as never before, well the answer is in Democrat policies!
    Next time you are moved aside in order to pay the bills of illegal immigrants, just remember which party it is that are encouraging these people to flood in!
    Democrats want to start the government addiction process even before these people are citizens and can vote.
    In the meantime, you can bet Democrats will be looking for ways to make it legal for illegals to vote.



    Migrants' Monthly Payments Are Higher Than New Yorkers' SNAP Benefits (newsweek.com)
     
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    While I don’t agree with this, you keep calling them illegals when they are not — they are migrants that are going through the asylum process.

    We should be urging congress to do something instead of trying to score more political points as to who’s fault it is as it spans numerous administrations over a decades.

    I also don’t mind feeding hungry people with my tax payer dollars — but I think it should be limited to very few items that promote health — and we should prioritize American citizens and children first.
     
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  3. The Mello Guy

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    We already do. The very next part that the OP chose to omit.

    Adams' office said that those low-income New Yorkers typically also qualify for other food assistance, like restaurant and shelter programs, while asylum seekers do not.
     
  4. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Not at the rate we've seen in the last 3 years. It is expected that if illegals continue to enter as they have been we will reach 10 million people that have forced their way into the US without going through the proper channels by the end of 2024 since Biden has been in office. You cannot tell me that is normal. I don't mind blaming other POTUS's and Congress administrations for not having secured the border like they should have done. But Biden, and Democrats, opened the flood gates wide open in 2021.

    You also cannot tell me that those many people are personally being persecuted in their home countries. Nor do we have to accept every claim of asylum that is made.
     
  5. Steve N

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    Illegals is the name given to undesirable and uninvited people who enter our country - it's a catchall name.Gone are the days when they were called aliens, foreign nationals, immigrants, undocumented immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers, and, most recently, undocumented Americans.

    Please Please Please - before the illegals come here, can some liberals start telling the rest of the world how oppressive, hateful, bigoted, discriminatory and racist America is.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The asylum process is absolutely being abused — Which is why we need massive reforms of our immigration systems.

    Guess which branch of government has to pass a bill to stop it?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a massive difference between an illegal alien and an asylum seeker both legally and procedurally.
     
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    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    The word "illegal" is not a loose expression, it's literal meaning is when there is a legal violation of some sort. As for the term illegal immigrant, it just so happens we have a legal definition for that, and it is someone who A. enters the country without an immigration inspection, B. enterers the country fraudulently, or C. Enters the country with a valid visa but remains after the expiration of said visa

    An asylum seeker is none of these, under the current administration's policy, one cannot apply for asylum if they entered the country illegally. They must go to legal point in order to apply as an asylum seeker and be granted legal permission to remain in the US. They did not enter illegally, nor do they remain in the country illegally. This is not subjective, an asylum seeker is not an illegal immigrant by any legal definition.
     
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    Guess which presidents executive orders have allowed over 7 million illegals into the US, 4 times higher than any other president in history.
     
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    It was also being abused prior to Biden. Yet Trump was still able to keep it far lower than Biden has. Why do you think that is?
     
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    They must enter the US at a legal point of entry per the law to claim asylum. Be specific. That is part of the law that Biden is ignoring. To his administration crossing the Rio Grande is enough, and then they take them to a "legal point" in order for them to do the application process for asylum. So yes, they did enter illegally, and then were granted a chance to claim asylum.

    In addition we all know that many of them are claiming asylum fraudulently just for the chance to be living in the US. Which means they fit the bill of your point B. So either way you cut it, calling them illegal is just fine.
     
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    The border states need to ship them a few million more, then tax registered Democrats to pay for their upkeep since they're so fond of them. Since illegal aliens are so great for the economy I wonder why they need SNAP to begin with; aren't they all just hard working and productive people who are only here to improve themselves n stuff? Why are these 'sanctuary cities' now sniveling about them coming in? The local economies should be going like gangbusters due to all these wonderful hard working individuals.
     
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    Nope, you clearly don’t keep up with the news, because the Biden administration introduced the policy to deny asylum seekers who enter illegally in February of 2023, which went into effect in May. It is NOT a law, but an administration policy to deny asylum seeker status to individuals who entered the country illegally. The policy has been legally challenged multiple times since then, but remains the policy today

    You can look it up and see for yourself, one is not granted status as an asylum seeker if they entered the country illegally.

    This isn’t subject, you are objectively wrong

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/21/border-asylum-rule-biden/
     
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  14. Kal'Stang

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    Paywalled. But I'll take the DHS site at its word...

    LINK: Refugees and Asylees | Homeland Security (dhs.gov)

    Note the underlined point. That is the loophole. As soon as they cross the river, "Oh well, they're already present in the US! Better get them their asylum paperwork requests!".
     
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    They’re not the right color.

    Which is what this is really all about.
     
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    None. We just would just have to follow the laws we have.
     
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    But I'm sure their contributions to this country FAR outweighs the price of feeding and housing them..

    It's these folks that are the problem..
     
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    Asylum from what? This is the lie that the left tells themselves. But no one else is buying your BS.
     
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    Asylum from their $hithole country. They should not be given asylum just because.
     
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    It’s so laughable to see Red State Republican thinks they pay for SNAP .

    70% US GDP and Federal revenue comes from blue district.

    I am sorry to bust your bubble, RED state don’t pay for SNAP. They are the recipient of SNAP, funded by blue state.

    I am in blue state, and I am ok with MY TAX DOLLARS at work!
     
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    DHS is the sited source of the policy, actually. I'm sorry you were unable to read the article, but to give you the gist of the policy, one must enter the US through the legal point of entry, and must also apply for asylum in the country they traveled through to reach the US border. Since you cannot read the article, here is the policy directly from DHS

    https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/05/16/2023-10146/circumvention-of-lawful-pathways

    You should also know that an asylum seeker is not yet considered to be a refugee, nor are they considered an asylee for that matter. A refugee applies for protection while overseas and enters the United States as a refugee, while an asylee requests protection and is granted asylum within the US. An asylum seeker is one who has made their first request for asylum. When one makes their request, they are granted temporary permission to remain in the US while their request is processed, but first they must provide proof of their application in the country they traveled through, and they must enter the US through the point of entry. Currently, the US is not accepting asylum requests from individuals who entered the US illegally from the southern border or surrounding sea, or did not apply for asylum in the country they went through to reach the US.

    I hope this clears up any confusions
     
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    The term "asylum seekers" is a euphemism for illegal alien. They are taught this new word by the cartels, who enjoy the steady income illegal immigration brings. This allows then to strengthen their grip on the poor people back home, and helps expand their empire built on human trafficking, extortion, drugs, guns, sex tourism, forced servitude, and child exploitation.

    Incentivizing illegal immigration is not from the position of genuine concern for humanity. The pain and suffering it brings is an acceptable price for the political benefits.
     
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    There is nothing illegal about asking for asylum at a port of entry. You’re choosing to frame this as these are all people who snuck in, and I don’t know what’s that’s based on.
     
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    From your quoted part:

    Bold: Loopholes.

    First, its rebuttable. IE: you can stay here while its being rebutted, which will naturally require a trial.

    Second, "during a limited, specified date range," .... Anyone that entered before that date range, or after it the rule does not apply. Do you know the date range? For all we know its no longer in effect.

    In other words it was a feel good policy in order to tell The People "See!!! We're trying to do something about all the immigrants coming here!" But in reality it actually doesn't do a darn thing.
     
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    Yes, people are coming in under the guise of seeking asylum. That way, people can describe the misery and horror in a way that makes it sound like they actually give a damn about these people. Those with a genuine concern can donate to causes that do far more good than bringing them here. Did you know that the same $350. a single illegal immigrant gets for sneaking in could help several families back home. Of course, helping people is not the objective. Its about exploiting these people for political benefits.
     

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