Get ready for the dirtiest campaign in our history

Russia wanted Trump in office because they were afraid Hillary would get them in a war with Russia by putting up a no fly zone over Syria. Russia brought in ground to air missiles and their only air craft carrier.


www.huffpost.com › entry › hillary-clinton-syria-noHillary Clinton Goes All-In On Syria No-Fly Zone - HuffPost
Hillary Clinton forcefully defended her support for a no-fly zone in Syria at the third presidential debate on Wednesday night. It was the first time she was pressed by a debate moderator about

1. www.theguardian.com › world › 2016Why Clinton's plans for no-fly zones in Syria could provoke ...
   Oct 25, 2016 · Retired senior US military pilots are increasingly alarmed that Hillary Clinton’s proposal for “no-fly zones” in Syria could lead to a military confrontation with Russia that could...
   
   
2. www.youtube.com › watchTop General Says Hillary No Fly Zone Means WAR With Russia
   Hillary Clinton No Fly Zone Over Syria Means WAR With Russia and Syria Says Four Star General Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He said ...
   
   

 

You think you have all the answers Golem, but you don't half of what your talking about.

""NB: It took me a long time to research the validity of my arguments, and I suggest you do the same."

 

Traitorous concerning Russia, as for Ukraine......

Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial

The Trump administration broke the law by withholding congressionally approved military aid to Ukraine last summer “for a policy reason,” a top government watchdog said Thursday in a scathing report.

The Government Accountability Office’s report came a day after the House of Representatives sent articles of its impeachment of President Donald Trump to the Senate for conduct related to holding back that aid.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/tru...onally approved,Thursday in a scathing report.

 

oh noes! that is indeed much worse than burning down Federal buildings, police stations,, etc, and having armed felon pedophile rapists chasing down kids and trying to shoot them.

My god yur a jeenyus! Has CNN made you an offer?

 

But when Biden does it, it's perfectly fine....lol

 

Where did I say one was worse than the other? Oh right…I didn’t. Classic strawman. Hahahaha

 

What a weak list, most of it bullshit.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveke...d-stream-2--but-its-too-late/?sh=6d6c97fc5df1

"However the main countries involved in the pipeline’s construction, Russia and Germany, suspect the U.S. is using energy security concerns as a smokescreen for its own economic interests. Sitting on a glut of gas supply from the shale gas boom, the U.S. is eager to export the surplus to Europe on tankers in the form of liquified natural gas (LNG)."

It was about money, not ideology. Not a bad move, but let's not aggrandize the motive.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...barack-obama-981ef7feb11053c1340a9d028d6f357b

"THE FACTS: Trump and Pence are misrepresenting the amount of aid under Obama and Biden and glossing over their own delays in helping Ukraine."

Let's not forget the fact that Trump blatantly delayed the previously agreed-upon aid package in order to coerce Zelensky into making up dirt on Biden, an act for which he was impeached.

Putin's timing of the Ukraine invasion was for Trump's benefit, not at Trump's request. Putin wanted to do this on Biden's watch.

Yeah, he expelled Russians, but not oligarchs ... those are Putin's buddies. He expelled Russian diplomats, but only due to public and political pressure.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/26/russia-expelled-484752

And he was not happy about it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-expel-fewer-russian-diplomats-2018-4

As for "condemning Russia’s illegal actions in Crimea," bullshit.

https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-doesn...ation-ukraine-crimean-peninsula/29328403.html

As for the INF Treaty, Trump didn't threaten, he withdrew us from that treaty. That was not a good move for our national security.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2018-11/news/trump-withdraw-us-inf-treaty

"... critics of Trump’s withdrawal plan argue that it recklessly removes all constraints on the deployment of Russia’s illegal missiles, lets Russia off the hook for its violation, and goes against the wishes of allies in Europe and elsewhere who want to preserve the treaty. They also claim that the administration has not exhausted all diplomatic, economic, and military options to pressure Russia to return to compliance ..."

Your last claim about 48 intelligence officers is a) incorrect, as they were mostly just minor diplomats and there were 60 of them, and b) it was Seattle, ffs. Plus, I covered that above with my response to your claim that Trump expelled oligarchs.

Notice how I include corroborating links for each point? Why are you so afraid to do that?

 

The Russian collusion lie was dreamed up and bought and paid for by Hillary's DNC. And 8 years earlier, her supporters were pushing the Obama "born in Kenya" story.

Golem, you are standing in your own putrid cesspool. Use your energy to fix that.

 

There is almost no news that is not fake, or having to combat the claims it it fake. People can't trust any of it. When propaganda becomes the weapon, counter-propaganda appears.
The people who bring it to the table in the first place want and expect that, because that condition kills truth- and truth is an environment they can't survive in.
Those who keep that flourishing- are the enablers of it. The inability to see, or admit you see what they are doing, is no excuse at all.

You have the right to believe your nsist pigs fly. I have the right to call it out for what it is as I see it. There is nothing to discuss. Game over.

 

So you agree that Trump stopped Russians pipeline. No matter why you think he did it, doesn't mean Russia gets happy about it.
One reason why Russia doesn't want Trump in office

So you agree that Trump is the first president to provide lethal arms to Ukraine. Your impeachment was voted down as the bullshit it was.
But the fact of the matter, Trump provided lethal aid to Ukraine to kill Russians.
Another reason why Russia doesn't want Trump

You have no idea what your talking about and your mind reading capabilities don't count.
Trump even announced, July 31, 2016, Russia won't invade Ukraine on his presidential watch adding that he would consider recognizing Russian President Vladimir Putin's seizure of Crimea.
You got one part right, Putin waited until Trump was out of office to attack Ukraine.
Another reason why Russia doesn't want Trump.

Mnuchin declared, "Russian oligarchs and elites who profit from this corrupt system will no longer be insulated from the consequences of their government's destabilizing activities," Their assets were blocked, and U.S. entities are barred from dealing with them in which they fled the US
Another reason why Russia doesn't want Trump.

So you thought it was a better idea to allow Russia to build ICBMs unconstrained while the US stops all production?
Another reason why Russia doesn't want Trump.

What part of Russia wasn't obliding by the agreement did you not understand, which is why Trump addressed it in the first place.

Trump ordered the expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats the US identified as intelligence agents and the closure of the Russian consulate in Seattle.
Another reason why Russia doesn't want Trump.

Because its all public information, that you actually confirmed in your own post.
It doesn't matter how much you want to twist reasons, the fact is, they happened and Russia isn't happy about it.

I also noticed you didn't try and dispute Trump killing hundreds of Russians in Syria.

 

Yes, most dim people think they're being clever. It's kind of how we know they're dim.

 

I think you’re being too harsh on yourself. But whatever.

 

Did Trump deliver the aid on time? Did he have the right to ask Ukraine to look into criminal matters he thought was going on in Ukraine with the Bidens?

AUG. 29 AND AFTER: Ukraine’s desperation
William Taylor, the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, testified that he did not know the aid had been withheld until after the Politico article appeared, when he started receiving “desperate” calls from Ukrainian officials.


“The minister of defense came to me,” he said. “I would use the word ‘desperate,’ to try to figure out why the assistance was held.”

Taylor said the minister thought if he spoke to Congress, or the White House, he could find out the reason and reassure them of whatever was necessary to get the aid. If the money wasn’t provided by Sept. 30, it would be lost.

SEPT. 11: The aid is released
The funds are suddenly released. Senate Republicans said that happened in part because Sen. Dick Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, threatened to block $5 billion in Pentagon spending for 2020 if the aid wasn’t given to Ukraine. They said the aid was held up while Trump looked into whether Zelenskiy was serious about fighting corruption. Taylor and other diplomats involved in Ukraine were not given a reason for the aid being released.


Treaty with Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters
Formal Title

• Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex, signed at Kiev on July 22, 1998, and with an Exchange of Notes signed on September 30, 1999, which provides for its provisional application.

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text

 

How laughable! Why did Putin wait for Biden to be in office to invade Ukraine? That's gonna take a lot of spin, huh?

 

Did Biden get on the phone and tell Ukraine if they didn't fire the Prosecutor in a matter of hours he would cancel the aid to Ukraine?

 

Putin only invaded when a Democrat was in office.

 

Trump was much harder on Russia than Obama was. Putin, or hardly anyone could really predict what Trump would do. He wasn't a politician and didn't act like one. The Left accused Trump into getting us into a nuclear war with N. Korea. Then months later accused Trump of kissing Kim's rear end. They accused Trump of Kissing Putin's rear end and Trump was much harder on Putin than Obama was. It was Obama that ways give into Putin.

 

The big problem with Democrats is they only look at what Trump says and does. They never try and understand why he does it. I'm sure they're smart enough, they just don't have the common sense to go with it. Don't get me wrong, I think the Democrats are smarter than Republicans or they wouldn't pull so much crap on us and get away with it.

 

Trump killed more Russians than any United States president in history.

 

Trump could say water is wet and the Democrats would lose their minds.

 

I could go on all day showing your complete lack of knowledge on so many things, but what would be the point? Other forum participants can see it for themselves.

And as always, you continue yo ignore requests to prove any of your claims. I note you cherry-picked my post and left the last paragraph out completely. How cowardly is that?

Sorry, Condor, but your current credibility rating is at about a minus 10.

 

Nope, not anything to do with losing anyone's mind. Most rational people would not believe him. Because he has NO CREDIBILLIY/ He is a pathological liar

It is those that believe everything he says , that are a concern...... as they seem to have lost perspective for verifiable facts. With the amount of disinformation floating around these days...facts are hard to verify and come by. When "influential " people overtly lie and repeat their lies until they and their followers accept those lies as truth, there is a societal & cultural problem. It is also a problem for Democracy.

 

You're funny
I posted a list of what Trump did to Russia.
You come back and post this.

Then you posted every excuse you could think of as to why Trump did (X) for every one of my claims.
Then claim you want links and evidence to the list you already confirmed?

Hilarious, really

 

What nonsense! Half of the things you wrote are absolutely demonstrable and proven FACTS. The other half... NOBODY ever said. Nobody of any consequence, anyway.

Parts of the dossier have not been verified true or false. There is no way to verify, for example, if Trump participated in a "Golden Showers" party... yet. However, everything that CAN be verified HAS been verified. At this point, the dossier, though not completely verified, is considered quite accurate.

As for what you say about FAISA... completely irrelevant technicalities. By which I mean that maybe they could be used in an appeals court so that a criminal can get off on a technicality. But as far as what the FACTS are (which is what matters to ME), they have been verified. That's what I care about. Technicalities are the attorney's problems... no concern of mine... or yours. Just a lame excuse.

Completely different topic, though. It has nothing to do with FAKE propaganda.

 

You don't know what you're talking about. The Trump campaign's collusion with Russia was proven in the Mueller Report.