mRNA Vaccines, Proven toxic, shuts down your immune system

He is an anti-vax clown.
Robert W. Malone - Wikipedia
"COVID-19 research and controversy
In early 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone was involved in research through the Defense Threat Reduction Agency's DOMANE program into the heartburn medicine famotidine (Pepcid) as a potential COVID-19 treatment.[29] His interest in the drug candidate followed early observational data suggesting that it may have been associated with higher COVID-19 survival.[30] Malone, then with Alchem Laboratories, suspected famotidine may target an enzyme that the virus (SARS-CoV-2) uses to reproduce, and recruited a computational chemist to help design a 3D-model of the enzyme based on the viral sequence and comparisons to the 2003 SARS virus.[29] After encouraging preliminary results, Alchem Laboratories, in conjunction with New York's Northwell Health, initiated a clinical trial on famotidine and hydroxychloroquine.[29] Malone resigned from Alchem shortly after the trial began and Northwell paused the trial due to a shortage of hospitalized patients.[28][31]

With another researcher, Malone successfully proposed to the publishers of Frontiers in Pharmacology a special issue featuring early observational studies on existing medication used in the treatment of COVID-19, for which they recruited other guest editors, contributors, and reviewers. The journal rejected two of the papers selected: one on famotidine co-authored by Malone and another submitted by physician Pierre Kory on the use of ivermectin.[31] The publisher rejected the ivermectin paper due to what it stated were "a series of strong, unsupported claims" which they determined did "not offer an objective nor balanced scientific contribution."[31] Malone and most other guest editors resigned in protest in April 2021, and the special issue has been pulled from the journal's website.[31]

Starting in mid-2021, Malone received criticism for propagating COVID-19 misinformation and conspiracy theories, including making "dangerous" and misleading claims about the toxicity of spike proteins generated by some COVID-19 vaccines;[4][32][6][33] using interviews on mass media to popularize medication with ivermectin;[34] and tweeting a study by others questioning vaccine safety that was later retracted.[4] He said that LinkedIn temporarily suspended his account over a post stating that the Chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation was also a board member at Pfizer, and other posts questioning the efficacy of some COVID-19 vaccines.[35][36] Malone has also falsely claimed that the Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could worsen COVID-19 infections,[1] and that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had not granted full approval to the Pfizer vaccine in August 2021.[37] Malone has promoted hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as COVID-19 treatments.[7] In a July 2021 interview, Malone admitted to taking the Moderna vaccine, claiming that he did so due to suffering from long COVID, and because he and his wife needed to travel.[20]

In November 2021, Malone shared a deceptive video on Twitter that falsely linked athlete deaths to COVID-19 vaccines. In particular, the video suggested that Jake West, a 17-year-old Indiana high school football player who succumbed to sudden cardiac arrest, had actually died from COVID-19 vaccination. However, West had died years earlier, in 2013, due to an undiagnosed heart condition. Malone deleted the video from his Twitter account after receiving a cease-and-desist letter from West's family.

Malone later said on Twitter that he did not know the video was doctored.[38] On December 29, 2021, Twitter permanently suspended Malone from its platform, citing "repeated violations of our COVID-19 misinformation policy",[39][40] after he shared on that platform a video about supposed harmful effects of the Pfizer vaccine.[41][42] In an April 1, 2022 interview, Malone made the unfounded claim that COVID-19 vaccines are "damaging T cell responses" and "causing a form of AIDS". Malone claimed that he had "lots of scientific data" to back up his claim, but did not cite evidence.[43] In July 2022, Malone, along with two other doctors, filed a lawsuit against Twitter for suspending their accounts, alleging a "breach of contract."[44]

On December 30, 2021, Malone claimed on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast that "mass formation psychosis" was developing in American society in its reaction to COVID-19 just as during the rise of Nazi Germany.[45][46] The term mass formation psychosis is not found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, is not based on factual medical information, and is described by Steve Reicher, a professor of social psychology at the University of St Andrews, as "more metaphor than science, more ideology than fact."[47] 270 physicians, scientists, academics, nurses and students wrote an open letter to Spotify complaining about the content of the podcast.[48][49] On January 3, 2022, Congressman Troy Nehls entered a full transcript[2][50] of The Joe Rogan Experience interview with Malone into the Congressional Record in order to circumvent what he said was censorship by social media.[2][45]

Malone has spoken at anti-vaccine and anti-vaccine-mandate rallies, including a January 2022 rally in front of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.,[38][51] and a March 2022 rally in Santa Barbara, California.[52] As of April 2022, more than 134,000 users subscribe to Malone's Substack newsletter.[7] According to media research firm Zignal Labs, Malone has been mentioned more than 300,000 times on social media, cable television, and print or online news outlets.[7] In December 2022, Malone was reinstated on Twitter as a result of Elon Musk's revision of the site's COVID disinformation policy.[53][54]"

Make a valid point ffs. Preferably one that hasn't been spammed to death and answered already!

 

Robert Malone Spreads Falsehoods About Vaccines. He Also Says He Invented Some. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
"In many of his appearances, Dr. Malone questions the severity of the coronavirus, which has now killed nearly one million people in the United States, and the safety of the coronavirus vaccines, which have been widely found to be safe and effective at preventing serious illness and death. His statements in late December on “The Joe Rogan Experience,” one of the most popular podcasts in the country, with 11 million listeners per episode on average, were at the center of the uproar over Mr. Rogan’s role in spreading bad information about the virus.

Dr. Malone also routinely sells himself on the shows as the inventor of mRNA vaccines, the technology used by Pfizer and Moderna for their Covid-19 shots, and says he doesn’t get the credit he deserves for their development. While he was involved in some early research into the technology, his role in its creation was minimal at best, say half a dozen Covid experts and researchers, including three who worked closely with Dr. Malone.

Dr. Joseph Mercola and Dr. Judy Mikovits, whose profiles have grown during the pandemic as they spread misinformation about mask-wearing and convoluted conspiracy theories about virus experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci.

In addition to his regular appearances on conservative shows, Dr. Malone has more than 134,000 subscribers to his Substack newsletter. About 8,000 pay the $5 monthly cost, he said, which would amount to at least $31,200 in monthly revenue. "

SUCKERS! Get your 5 bucks out - line up!

 

holy carp what ridiculous fallacy.. "Malone questions severity of coronavirus which has now killed nearly one million people in the US" - "Bad Information"

1.2 million US - 58 thousand Canada

US is roughly 10 times Canada's population so US death rate was double that of Canada. .. which is a problem as it should be the same .. but using Canada's numbers which are more in line with the other first world nations we have ~ 36 million people 58,000 dead over 4 years.

58,000/36 million / 4 = 402 dead per million per year = 40/100,000 .. and double this in the USA

is 40/100,000 a severe pandemic ? .. is it anywhere close to the top 10 worst .. is that anywhere close to bad ? Especially since Covid targeted almost exclusively the very Old - Sick and ready to go anytime demographic ?

The Plague killed 50,000 / 100,000 .. a normal flu/pneumonia season kills 20/100,000

Covid was double a normal flu season .. except it targeted overwhelmingly old people .. a regular flu more dispersed .. so a normal healthy person had less risk of harm than a normal flu season with Covid at a whopping 40/ 100,000.

Looks like Malone was putting out Good information . not bad information like the Biden Blue Decepticon's running around screaming like the Russians have pre-emptively launched nukes duping the raging masses into a false state of panic and fear.

 

That is correct. The anti-vax clown posted bad information.

What an absurd word salad of crap. Canada did what the US did not! And what the hell, you think 1.3 MILLION deaths to this virus, plus all the long-term illness is comparable to the damn flu - 50 THOUSAND deaths for a bad year!?

Why is Canada's Covid death rate so much lower than US? - BBC News
"Vaccination rates and healthcare differences
As of 9 February, 80% of Canada's population was fully immunised against Covid-19, along with another 5% that is partially vaccinated, meaning they had received at least one dose of a multi-dose vaccine.

In the US, 64% of people are fully vaccinated and 12% partially vaccinated.

Canada got off to a slow start, but had caught up to the US by mid July - when exactly half of the population in each country was fully vaccinated. Canada's vaccine take-up then surged ahead.

The data suggests that helped save lives. While a third (34%) of the total US death toll has come in the seven months since, only about a quarter (26%) of Canada's Covid deaths have."

AND

"Unlike the US, however, Canada has a universal, decentralised and publicly funded healthcare system administered by its 13 provinces and territories.

"That means that people, regardless of their socioeconomic status, have access to healthcare," said Dr Donald Vinh, an infectious disease specialist at McGill University Health Centre in Montreal. "What makes that an important factor is that, regardless of where you are in your phase of illness, you will still be able to get healthcare."

Far more Americans were ending up in intensive care as well. Last month during the Omicron wave, the number peaked at nearly 79 per million when Canada's was 32 per million.

"That has to be a function of healthcare systems. [Canada] is intervening quicker, and in different ways, than the US," Dr Cameron said. "That's where severe cases are ending up when other approaches and interventions have failed."

The availability of universal health insurance is the "simplest" explanation for Canada's lower infections and deaths, said Ross Upshur, a professor of public health at the University of Toronto.

"Most Canadians would not swap the health system we have, with all its faults, for the US system," he said."

Canada's success is America's shameful failure!

 

Hmmm. Someone didn’t read their cite….again and inadvertently misrepresented it.

Perhaps if we are REALLY concerned about measles, we should post about the ACTUAL main causes of missed vaccinations and address those causes instead of blaming people not responsible for those missed doses.

 

Let’s look at how Covid anti vax epithets affected measles in the US.

https://publications.aap.org/redboo...-Outbreaks-Measles?autologincheck=redirected#

Using logic presented in your posts, anti vax sentiment is decreasing incidence of measles in the US!

SMH.

 

The spike protein is naturally found in all coronaviruses. Why do you think it’s called a ‘coronavirus’ — because ‘corona’ means crown or wreath which is a reference to the ‘crown’ of spike proteins on the surface of the virus. Spike proteins are on the outside of the virus and attach to specific receptors on cells (depending on which coronavirus is involved) and allows the virus to gain access to the cell so it can start replicating. The mRNA vaccines function to get the body to produce a spike protein, not the whole virus, and the immune system responds by producing antibodies against it.

Being infected with SARS-CoV-2 is much more dangerous than the vaccine. The mRNA vaccine contains a limited number of mRNA instructions which enter a limited number of cells, which then produce and display those spike proteins to trigger the immune system. There is no multiplication of these mRNA instructions — a fixed number is given with the vaccine. When you are infected with the actual virus, the virus hijacks your cells to produce millions of copies each of which is covered with spike proteins, which infect more cells. The reason why getting vaccinated results in less severe symptoms is because the immune system has learned to recognize the spike proteins and when the body is exposed to the actual virus, it immediately starts fighting against it producing millions of copies itself.

Are you using this information to try prove that the spike proteins produced from the mRNA in vaccines are toxic and dangerous or that the spike proteins of the SARS-CoV-2 virus are toxic and dangerous? Can you at least make up your mind if you are discussing spike proteins related to the vaccines or related to the virus itself. It seems to me, from your first post as well as in the title of this this thread, you tried to implicate the vaccines and ignored the vast number of spike proteins the actual virus contains. As an aside, it’s outright hypocrisy when anti-vaxxers claim the virus is no more dangerous than the flu, yet say the vaccine is extremely dangerous and use spike proteins (which the virus contains) to try and prove it. If the spike proteins from the mRNA in vaccines are so toxic and dangerous, then so is the virus.

Where did the information about the blood brain barrier come from? Did it come from the opinion article written by Peter Parry et al labelled with the word ‘Spikeopathy’. The author of this piece of crap about spike proteins claimed that the spike proteins crossed the BBB in mice but oopsie he forgot to mention that the mice were genetically manipulated and didn’t actually have a BBB. The information related to the blood brain barrier wasn’t even about the vaccines, it was about the actual virus and disturbance of the BBB was not shown.

It’s obvious that the virus does have an effect on the brain as people with long covid have suffered from brain fog and memory loss. Many viruses can cause encephalitis and these are viruses that do not contain spike proteins. Research has looked at the different variants of covid and how well the virus crossed a model BBB. The wild type virus and omicron to a lesser extent were able to disrupt the integrity of the barrier while the other variants could not. The researchers proposed the virus damaged the barrier which led to immune cells entering the brain and inducing inflammation. They don’t know if the brain is directly attacked by the virus or the damage occurs indirectly from inflammation. So nothing to do with the spike protein produced from mRNA in vaccines or from spike proteins on the virus. https://www.crick.ac.uk/news/2023-0...-to-untangle-how-covid-19-affects-brain-cells

The World Council for Health spreads misinformation to promote fake covid-19 treatments. Are any of these treatments tested in relationship to spike proteins or even in relationship to the virus itself. No. It’s the promotion of useless alternative therapies in order to cash in on covid-19. The liver detoxifies the body of any poisons/toxins etc. Any claims of products that ‘detoxify’ is what scientists consider to be ‘woo’. If Malone promotes this kind of thing, he is a charlatan.

Yes, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is very toxic to the body due to its replicating itself into millions of copies which causes damage to the body. http://needtoknow.nas.edu/id/infection/how-pathogens-make-us-sick/
The vaccine does not replicate in the body. The mRNA simply produces a limited number of spike proteins which the immune system reacts to. That’s it.

I stand by my claim that Malone is putting out misinformation. He is not an expert in the SARS-CoV-2 virus. An expert does not spread misinformation. An expert does not take the results of other scientists and change them and make false statements about the results.

It has not been revealed that the spike protein on its own is enough to cause inflammation and damage to the vascular system.

Malone suggested the spike protein generated by the mRNA vaccine is toxic and leads to adverse effects like blood clots, brain inflammation, and autoimmunity. This is incorrect because he assumes and this is an unsupported assumption that high concentrations of spike protein from vaccination enter the bloodstream and he uses animal studies reporting POTENTIAL toxicity of the spike protein from the VIRUS, not from the VACCINE.

You can read information at the following links which discuss the spike proteins and why Malone and others are wrong.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...accines-joe-rogan-experience-spotify-podcast/

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...ection-and-vaccination-misrepresents-studies/

From the claims made by Byram Bridles (above link) which are basically the same as Malones, it seems the two studies that were used to support their opinion that the spike proteins in the vaccines causes vascular damage provided insufficient data to support the claims about the spike protein. The study used a pseudovirus and the authors provided no information related to how similar it was to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The amount of virus injected into the test animals was also not known in comparison to the viral load in covid-19 patients. They weren’t looking at amounts of spike proteins produced by the vaccines at all. So, the claim that the spike protein alone is responsible for blood clotting and other vascular symptoms in C-19 patients is unsupported.

Covid-19 patients are more likely to develop blood clots in comparison to the number of cases reported by vaccinated people. This suggests that the blood clots are related to something other than spike proteins. When a person gets a vaccine most of the vaccine remains around the injection site as opposed to infection with the virus. The spike protein from the vaccine, contrary to claims made by Bridle and Malone does not accumulate in various body tissues. This claim came from a study involving 13 vaccinated people where the researcher found spike protein in 11 of the people. Due to the number of subjects the results are meaningless and the amount of spike protein found was extremely low. The study did not mention any detrimental effects that the spike proteins could cause.

As far as what this thread is about. You started it off by rudely calling believers in vaccines ‘suckers’. You then claimed the senate committee hearing involved the ‘world’s most renowned experts along with the inventors of the vax’. There are no world renowned experts as I kindly pointed out and nor are there any inventors of the vax on the panel. You then falsely referred to the vaccines as ‘gene therapy’ which is false because gene therapies enter the nuclei of cells and alter the DNA. Vaccines do not enter the nuclei of cells, they do not alter DNA, they simply carry a messenger that initiates spike protein to prime the immune system. The vaccine is not a toxin. Vaccines do not shut down the immune system nor do they cause the body to produce more toxins. All lies and misinformation. The senate hearing is basically a whole load of misinformation produced by a whole load of world renowned purveyors of vaccine misinformation.

 

I'll never understand why this subforum isn't just added to Conspiracy Theories instead.

 

Nothing like starting out with strawman fallacy .. and then accusing the other poster of "absurd word salad of crap"

1.3 million deaths was not compared to 50-thousands deaths for a bad flu year. No wonder you think "The anti-vax Clown" posted bad information .. if you believe he stated some made up nonsense .. that he did not state.

1.2 million deaths in the US = 80 per 100,000 over 4 years which was compared to To Canada's death rate of 40 per 100,000 .. to the average flu deaths in a normal flue year of 20 per 100,000.

To give an indication of severity these numbers were then compared to a severe pandemic death rate of 50,000 per 100,000 .. call it 20-50 thousand per 100,000 and you cover the top 10 Pandemics and more ... to give us some measuring stick by which the severity can be gauged.

By any rational assessment .. increasing the annual death rate from 20 to 40 per 100,000 .. is nowhere in the same order of magnitude of severity as increasing from 20 to 20,000 per 100,000.

and in fact .. would you like to tell the audience about not just one order of magnitude difference in severity .. but how many orders of magnitude are we talking about .. show us your math and subject matter assessment skills 20 - 20,000 is how many .. and then explain how this anti-vaxxer was so right .. and you were so wrong about the severity .. and determination of what was "Bad Information" .. your claim now proven false .. by "The Science"

So let us not be in denial of the Science -- as the woke joke is so famous for these days .. feeling they can just cancel what doesn't fit into their authoritarian tyrannical plots. .. and admit that Dr. Malone was right about the severity of Covid .. especially among normal population ... or non severely abnormal population to which Covid was a little more severe .. but still orders of magnitude less than "Severe" on the Pandemic Richter Scale .. and of how many orders of magnitude the young apprentice calculate for us ? 20 - 20,000 quite a simple question to start out .. the slightly more difficult is to quantify the difference "in orders of magnitude" between 20-20,000 and 60-20,000 and then tell us if the same holds true for Canada as the US in terms of Severity

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What planet have you been living on? We've CONSTANTLY been told by the fringe right that this is basically just a bad flu, and it took them years to even acknowledge that much. Some of them still don't.

 

It appears Malone is 100% correct:

Biomedicines. 2023 Aug; 11(: 2287.
Published online 2023 Aug 17. doi: 10.3390/biomedicines11082287
PMCID: PMC10452662
PMID: 37626783

‘Spikeopathy’: COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA

This two-part narrative review presents evidence for the widespread harms of novel product COVID-19 mRNA and adenovector DNA vaccines and is novel in attempting to provide a thorough overview of harms arising from the new technology in vaccines that relied on human cells producing a foreign antigen that has evidence of pathogenicity.

This first paper explores peer-reviewed data counter to the ‘safe and effective’ narrative attached to these new technologies.

Spike protein pathogenicity, termed ‘spikeopathy’, whether from the SARS-CoV-2 virus or produced by vaccine gene codes, akin to a ‘synthetic virus’, is increasingly understood in terms of molecular biology and pathophysiology.
[Like Malone said]
Pharmacokinetic transfection through body tissues distant from the injection site by lipid-nanoparticles or viral-vector carriers means that ‘spikeopathy’ can affect many organs.
[Like Malone said]
The inflammatory properties of the nanoparticles used to ferry mRNA; N1-methylpseudouridine employed to prolong synthetic mRNA function; the widespread biodistribution of the mRNA and DNA codes and translated spike proteins, and autoimmunity via human production of foreign proteins, contribute to harmful effects.
[Like Malone said]
This paper reviews autoimmune, cardiovascular, neurological, potential oncological effects, and autopsy evidence for spikeopathy.


Key problem areas appear to be

(1) the toxicity of the spike protein—both from the virus and also when produced by gene codes in the novel COVID-19 mRNA and adenovectorDNA vaccines [1,2], hence the novel term ‘spikeopathy’;

(2) inflammatory properties of certain lipid-nanoparticles used to ferry mRNA [3];

(3) N1-methylpseudouridine in the synthetic mRNA that causes long-lasting action [4];

(4) widespread biodistribution of the mRNA [5] and DNA [6,7] codes via the lipid-nanoparticle and the viral-vector carrier matrices, respectively and (5) the problem of human cells producing a foreign protein in our ribosomes that can engender autoimmunity [8,9].

An umbrella literature review of publications between December 2019 and August 2021 revealed that the greatest risk of mortality due to COVID-19 was associated with cardiovascular disease, cerebrovascular disease, and chronic renal disease [10].

The mRNA and adenovectorDNA vaccines have been produced by large pharmaceutical companies and favoured by regulators in most Western nations.

[Phizer fired their regulator when he objected to their methods!]

It has been widely claimed that these vaccines have saved millions of lives. Sincere hopes have been held for this narrative. But this belief is largely founded on early Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) modelling estimates and Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Janssen claims of efficacy, which have been undermined by new data.

Controversy has surrounded the use of the gene-based vaccines and this article explores the reason for this.

To meet the widespread desire for ‘safe and effective’ vaccines, gene-based technology offers rapid speed of production. Hope has perhaps influenced much of the published literature as well as media narrative.

A central issue has been growing evidence of pathogenic effects of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein—whether as part of the virus or produced by genetic codes in the mRNA and adenovectorDNA vaccines.

The aim of this narrative review is to present a comprehensive account of the pathogenicity of the antigen, the biodistribution of the gene codes for the antigen throughout the body, their modified long-lasting nature particularly with the mRNA vaccines, and literature and data that show the adverse events that would be expected from such biodistribution and cellular production of a foreign antigen.

The review presents a case of premature translation of experimental gene therapy technology to mass public vaccination and ethical and regulatory issues that need scrutiny and reform before the next pandemic.

Central to individual informed consent decisions and public health policy is the weighing of the risks of an illness versus the risks and potential benefits of an intervention.

Given the risks of novel gene-based COVID-19 vaccines, were they worth it in light of the severity of SARS-CoV-2 infection? We address the risks of COVID-19 first.

The claim of millions of lives saved by COVID-19 gene-based vaccines was partly based on assumptions that the COVID-19 vaccines protected against infection and transmission, which was not the case because systemic immunity to respiratory viruses is not as effective as mucosal immunity from infection, and because of the continually evolving variants perhaps partly driven by adaptive evasion of vaccine-induced antibodies. Pfizer admitted that its phase 3 clinical trial [12] did not test for viral transmission [13].

[https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/23064-dna-genes--chromosomes Malone was right!]

However, presumptions of efficacy have been sustained by COVID-19 modellers, and reiterated by health authorities, medical publications, and the media.

[They Lied]

This is exhibited by Watson et al., (2022) in “Global impact of the first year of COVID-19 vaccination: a mathematical modelling study”, published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases [14]. The authors estimate around 14.4 million lives saved related to vaccination benefits that include protection against infection and transmission, both now recognised to be unfounded.

We will summarise the evidence that the spike protein itself is independently bioactive and pathogenic. The spike protein has been directly related to both the pathophysiology that underlies COVID-19 viral illness and the serious adverse events from the COVID-19 vaccines that, via gene therapy mechanisms, induce human cells to produce the spike protein in substantial numbers.

Key Points

• Highly safe and effective vaccines are central to combat infectious disease epidemics/pandemics.
  
  
• SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is pathogenic, whether from the virus or created from genetic code in mRNA and adenovectorDNA vaccines.
  
• Biodistribution rodent study data show lipid nanoparticles carry mRNA to all organs and cross blood-brain and blood-placenta barriers. Some of these tissues are likely to be impervious to viral infection; therefore, the biohazard is particularly from vaccination.
  
• Lipid-nanoparticles have inflammatory properties.
  
• The modification of mRNA with N1-methylpseudouridine for increased stability leads to the production of spike proteins for months.
• [Exactly what Malone claims!!]
  
  
• It is uncertain how many cells and from which organs mRNA spike proteins are produced, and therefore, the exact effective dose delivered per vaccine vial is unknown.
  
• The long-term fate of mRNA within cells is currently unknown.
  
  
• [We know now due to the ongoing excess deaths with no end in sight]
  
  
• The mRNA and adenovectorDNA vaccines act as ‘synthetic viruses’.
  
• In the young and healthy, and even in many older individuals with vulnerable comorbidities, the encoding-based COVID-19 vaccines will likely transfect a far more diverse set of tissues than infection by the virus itself.
  
• Evidence suggests reverse transcription of mRNA into a DNA copy is possible. This further suggests the possibility of intergenerational transmission if germline cells incorporate the DNA copy into the host genome.
  
• Production of foreign proteins such as spike protein on cell surfaces can induce autoimmune responses and tissue damage. This has profoundly negative implications for any future mRNA-based drug or vaccine.
  
• The spike protein exerts its pathophysiological effects (‘spikeopathy’) via several mechanisms that lead to inflammation, thrombogenesis, and endotheliitis-related tissue damage and prion-related dysregulation.
  
• Interaction of the vaccine-encoded spike protein with ACE-2, P53 and BRCA1 suggests a wide range of possible biological interference with oncological potential.
  
• Adverse event data from official pharmacovigilance databases, an FDA-Pfizer report obtained via FOI, show high rates and multiple organ systems affected: primarily neurological, cardiovascular, and reproductive.
  
• Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines’ clinical trial data independently interpreted has been peer-review and published to show an unfavourable risk/benefit, especially in the non-elderly. The risks for children clearly outweigh the benefits.
  
• Repeated COVID-19 vaccine booster doses appear to induce tolerance and may contribute to recurrent COVID-19 infection and ‘long COVID’.
  
• The SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has revealed deficiencies in public health and medicines regulatory agencies.
  
• A root cause analysis is needed for what now appears a rushed response to an alarming infectious disease pandemic.
  
• Treatment modalities for ‘spikeopathy’-related pathology in many organ systems, require urgent research and provision to millions of sufferers of long-term COVID-19 vaccine injuries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10452662/

 

The modified mRNA with N1-methylpseudouridine is 'synthetic' not natural, and it was used to increase longevity which leads to the production of spike proteins for months, compared to the "natural" spike protein you are talking about which in most cases dies off before it can enter and damage your cells!

Phizer could not get the "natural" version to last long enough, the body T killer cells killed them immediately, so they created the pathogenic N1-methylpseudouridine version so it would last long enough to get it into your cells, this was not tested, and no one knew how long it would last in the body and how many organs it would affect, now we know, all of them and last tests I seen greater than 6 months!

You are substituting your version for reality.

 

People that made this into their religion wish this would simply disappear since it proves their religion worships a false gods.

We are discussing facts not conspiracy theories, and the discussion from the latest Senate hearing to discuss the latest discoveries and how to proceed going forward.

 

My religion has no gods and, yes, you are discussing lame, braindead conspiracy theories.

 

Thanks for the update, note to self, peer reviewed medical studies = conspiracy theory. Brilliant!

 

Thats all it was for the unvaxd! People die from the flu you know!

 

It’s unfortunate there can’t be productive discussions. Both sides refuse to accept reality.

One side thinks vaccines are 100% safe and the only effective prevention for limiting infection and severe disease. The other thinks vaccines are going to kill everyone.

The facts lie between those positions but few seem interested in facts.

Kind of like most other topics on PF, right?

 

I've never heard anyone, on PF or anywhere else, claim that no one on earth will ever experience any negative interactions with vaccines. Whoever told you someone was claiming that was almost certainly just lying to you.

 

Such irony above will surpass most PRO-Vaxxers blind love and trust for anything
these financial monsters behind the curtain tells them without a question!

 

I’m referring to exchanges like this one where clear harm is denied and anyone attempting to quantify harm is subjected to fallacious attacks.

Some folks have a phobia of needles. That could be classified as a negative interaction. Same with low grade stuff like redness etc. at injection site. That’s not what I am referring to. Sorry I wasn’t clear. I’ll try and do better in making myself clear.

 

Bullshit. I don't think a single person arguing for vaccines thinks that. High 99.nn%.

And again - numerous other remedies are workable as prevention.

I hate to support the right of anti-vax idiots, but most of them don't think that. A few do.
Thank you for your useless false dichotomy logical fallacy.

Meh! The arbiter of "facts"

 

I'm going to have to tell you: the day I trust The Epoch Times for my news is the day I believe Bat Boy and Taylor Swift got married. But I'll give it a read in case they accidentally got something right and forgot they were a braindead tabloid.

 

As I said, it’s unfortunate folks such as yourself can’t have productive discussions.

As I said, few are interested in facts.

My post was in response to a poster who thinks this subforum should be relegated to the conspiracy section. How’s that for hyperbole? If you can’t deal with a hyperbolic post in response to a hyperbolic post I can’t help you.

Who’s the arbiter of facts? Who claimed to be?

 

I’ve not commented once on the epoch times. Don’t even know what it is.

My posts are based exclusively on peer reviewed studies, official government statistics, and well known tenets of biological science.

I’m going to tell you—don’t trust the epoch times. Don’t trust me. Don’t judge information based on preconceived bias. Look at the information presented and compare it to known published studies, data, and other verifiable evidence.

 

Behold, the arbiter of "facts".

Not only do I not need any "help" from you, you aren't able to give any. Almost every single one of these useless threads belongs in the conspiracy junkyard. As hyperbole goes, it isn't and it's accurate.

The one who states where the facts lie, as though they alone have such understanding.