It's Time For Full UN Membership For Palestine

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  1. AFM

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    The only place where Hamas has any power now is in Rafah. And those days are numbered.

    Gazans demand that Hamas be defeated. Netanyahu's plan calls for Israeli forces to provide the safe, secure, and democratic environment free from Hamas and the PLO that Gazans need and will thrive under. Gaza cannot become an autonomous entity without a direct Israeli policing function. This is the lesson of 2005 which indeed Netanyahu and others warned about.

    Mr. Pipes is president of the Middle East Forum and author, most recently, of “Islamism vs. the West: 35 Years of Geopolitical Struggle.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/netany... Minister Benjamin,of Geopolitical Struggle.”
     
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    If Israel takes over Gaza and the West bank, how will the Israeli government prevent an Arab voting majority?
     
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    By establishing a police state. That is what is required for the safety, security, and economic security of the Gaza Strip. One lesson of the 2005 withdrawal of Israel from the Gaza Strip is that a two state solution is not possible.

    From the quote above:

     
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    A police state won't stop Arabs from voting out Likud.
     
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    The negotiations concerning the slaughter in Gaza involve Hamas.

    Saying they don't have power doesn't make sense - unless you're just pointing to the ability of Israel to bomb and starve Gaza to death.
    Cite your polling of Gazan citizens.

    No, Israel is NOT interested in that. They aren't interested in that in West Bank, either.

    Don't be so silly as to think Israel has better plan for Gazan Palestinians than West Bank Palestinians.
     
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    Yes, this is Netanyahu's problem.

    His Likud party charter says that Israel will rule from the river to the sea - no other government.

    But, the Palestinian population is too great for it to be included in a single state.

    Too soon it would be the Muslim State of Israel.

    So, what is to be done about all those Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank?
     
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    Please re read the article which describes Netanyahu's plan by Mr. Pipes which I posted upthread.
     
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    Hamas is the cause of all deaths in the Gaza Strip. Gazans want them out. The source of the polling is listed. Israel is interested in protecting their citizens. Gazans are interested in going back to work in Israel. West Bank Palestinians are infiltrated with Hamas and Hezbollah.
     
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    Well, one side truly does have genocide in mind.
     
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    Israel does nothing to Gaza civilians. It is busy removing Hamas which is embedded with those civilians. The innocents are suffering because of a war started by the people they put in political power. It's a shame but it happens in every war.
     
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    One can see Netanyahu's plan on full display in West Bank.

    Do you think his plan is to be more magnanimous to Gaza Palestinians than to West Bank Palestinians?
     
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    That's not true.
     
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    No, Gazans are interested in going back to work in GAZA. They want to join the world economy, not be a labor force for use by Israel. Let's be serious here.

    West Bank Palestinian government has worked together with the IDF to reduce violence in regions of Palestine that they are allowed to govern. President Abbas has consistently held to a negotiations only direction. His government is the reason that Palestine is recognized as a country by 193 UN member countries.
     
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    And Gazans will be able to do that if and only if Hamas is eradicated. This was the case before Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005. The economy of Gaza was strong and productive. Unemployment was ~ 10%. BTW ~ 30,000 Gazans were working in Israel just before Oct 7.
     
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    If Netanyahu were interested in helping Palestinians, why would he steal West Bank land for growing settlements and govern those areas with Israeli military law?

    Is it because Netanyahu likes the Palestinians of Gaza more than those of West Bank?
     
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    Netanyahu's Likud party platform states from the river to the sea there will be no government but Israel.

    We can see what Israel does in West Bank, where President Abbas works with the IDF to reduce violence.
     
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    There's no such thing as Palestine that's not a country.
     
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    By who?
     
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    If Israel left the West Bank the West Bank would become just like Gaza in 2007. Substitute Hezbollah for Hamas.
     
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    LOL
     
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    President Abbas is not even slightly interested in such a destructive future.

    He's proven that for a long, long time.

    And, you have NO evidence for your mindless prediction.
     
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    The testimony of the major states at the ICJ shows clearly that the world is not interested in the genocide Israel brings.
     
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    NO country is interested in being the labor force for use by some other country.

    Where did you get that idea?

    Plus, Israel used a barricade to prevent Gazans from even being able to export - let alone feed themselves.

    That is an act of war, and that war has gone on for WAY too many years, during which Gaza has had no way out.
     
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    Prevents you mean.
     
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    He wasn’t in Gaza as well. Israel left and Hamas violently took control. The same thing would happen in the West Bank if Israel left.
     

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