It's Time For Full UN Membership For Palestine

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    we deny your claims that there is "ethnic cleansing" or "genocide" being committed by Israel. Israel has over 20% non-Jewish residents. How many Jews live in Islamist nations? How many cases can you name of Jews being involved in killing Muslims throughout the world vs cases where Muslims have murdered Jews and Christians all over Africa, the Mid East etc
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    It is obvious to me-and many others-that many of those who bash Israel, have no understanding of what the term "genocide" means
     
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  3. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Who is "we"?

    Is it your church that supports starving Palestinian children to death?

    And, your "what aboutism" is not a valid form of logic.
     
  4. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, there is over 30,000 right there in Gaza. How many more do you need? Israel has killed FAR more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelis. Its not even close.

    Deny all you want. Revel in your inhumanity. It won't change what is happening. Just know that you are supporting the increase of terrorism and suffering. That is all that Bibi is accomplishing... creating a whole new generation of extremists. Perpetuating the death and suffering of both Israelis and Palestinians. I'm sure that thrills you.
     
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    Definition
    Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
    Article II

    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    1. Killing members of the group;
    2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
     
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    war
     
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  7. Turtledude

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    what do you think causes the support for Hamas among Americans?
     
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    western guilt
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that's a great answer that I never considered. I attributed it to several things

    1) virulent anti semitic views-be it those who resent the success of Jews in the US economy to old fashioned neo nazis
    2) people who hate the USA and see Israel as an ally of the USA and thus worthy of being hated as well
    3) (much smaller) Jihadist supporters in the USA
    4) low wattage victims of Tik-Tok propaganda and other anti Israeli garbage perpetrated by nations less than friendly to us and Israel
     
  10. Pisa

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    Let's see how reliable your sources are.

    World Health Organization. December 18, 2023:
    The head of the UN health agency Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has spoken out against the “effective destruction” of a hospital in northern Gaza by Israeli forces over the weekend, leading to the deaths of eight patients including a nine-year-old child.

    Kamal Adwan Hospital was raided by the Israeli military over four days last week and the World Health Organization (WHO) said that many health workers were reportedly detained.

    “Gaza’s health system was already on its knees and the loss of another even minimally functioning hospital is a severe blow,” Tedros wrote on social platform X.​

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144887

    Al Jazeera, February 29, 2024:
    We are inside the new Natal Care Unit at the Kamal adwan hospital
    Source: Youtube. I can post the video if you ask, but for now, I'll just post one picture.

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    Err...was the hospital destroyed, as WHO claims, or is it functional?

    So much for "reliable sources".
     
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  11. WillReadmore

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    "Kamal Adwan Hospital’s Director Ahmed al-Kahlout said that the hospital had gone out of service due to a lack of fuel to run its generators. On Tuesday, Al-Awda Hospital in Jabalia also went out of service for the same reason."

    "Medical aid group Doctors Without Borders, also known as Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF), has meanwhile said that medical workers are struggling to serve hundreds of thousands of displaced people in Gaza who are living in dire conditions with nowhere to go.

    “Healthcare has been attacked, it’s collapsing. The whole system is collapsing. We are working from tents trying to do what we can. We treat the wounded. With the displacements, people’s wounds have been infected. And I’m not even talking about the mental wounds. People are desperate. They don’t know anymore what to do,” MSF’s Meinie Nicolai said.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...alnutrition-in-gaza-hospitals-health-ministry

    Picture of Kamal Adwan Hospital, the hospital YOU mention:
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    Was the hospital destroyed, as WHO says, or wasn't it destroyed, as Al Jazeera says? Were the doctors arrested, as WHO says, or are the doctors working from tents, as Al Jazeera says? Did the hospital stop working, as Al Jazeera says in your linked article, or does the hospital care for several newborn babies, as the Al Jazeera video on YouTube says?

    Pfftt.

    Here's the video:


    Or you can only read the transcript below the video.
     
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    Thousands are supporting Hamas. You know that right?
     
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    Then I recommend you ignore them instead of responding to them. Then you won't be so tired.
     
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    So we disagree.
     
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    The better questions is when can we expect you and folks like you to stand up to terrorists attempt at genocide in Israel?
     
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    Jingoism! Ha!

    Please show me the phrase 'humanitarian atrocities" in the Geneva Conventions.
     
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    Immediately and always.

    But, genocide is not a solution. Starving children to death is an atrocity.
     
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    Nobody in the USA is supporting Hamas.
     
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    Those screaming "from the river to the sea" are supporting the destruction of the state of Israel. It amounts to the same thing to me. Hamas has no other purpose than staying in power and working toward the destruction of Israel. There are thousands of Hamas supporters in the U.S. I accept that you aren't one of them. I think the majority of them are muslims but it has no place in the U.S. regardless.
     
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    No, we've gone over this. You haven't cited this claim.

    But, I HAVE cited the Likud party platform that states there will be no country but Israel from the river to the sea.

    There are no Hamas supporters in the USA.

    There ARE those who oppose the genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel.

    Israel is starving children to death.

    I do NOT accept that. Do you?
     
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    Is anyone actually able and willing to read through that horrid formatting?
     
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    So, you agree that Hamas et al are abusing horribly their own citizens causing them to starve. Why is recognizing just how abusive Hamas are to their own folks while they live large and lavish lives in other countries such a difficult thing for you?
     
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    Sorry I don't do requests for strangers on the internet. I recommend you broaden your media input. You can learn on your own without any help from me.

    Yes. And? The area from the river to the sea is Israel. Certainly you know that.

    Get your head out of the sand.

    There are people opposing the death of innocent Gazans. But there is no genocide to support. There is only a war against Hamas that sadly kills a lot of innocent people. Wars do that. It is a shame that Hamas started it. Have you paid any attention to the war in Ukraine? Do you spend as much time grieving about that?

    BS. That is an emotional invention not a fact.
     
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