Israel Shooting Those Waiting for Food Aid

Which Muslims doing what?

 

Hamas

 

Ok, doing what?

 

I support Israel, I want to see Hamas gone.

 

That's great but one can't just kill ppl for some supposed reason, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOLY LAND!.

There is too many bad omens in that region to be able to conquer it by military might. That is not the intended solution for the nation of Israel to blossom imo according to scripture from the new testament.

In layman's terms, military victory there for Israel will ultimately be the reason for it's demise.

We need to use our brains brother, that is what the most high wills surely

 

you're kidding right?

 

Question questions

 

It is also in dispute whether Israel has blocked food aid or Hamas has stolen it.

 

It isn't in dispute that Israel blocked it. They have said so themselves.

 

That is false.
The idea that Israel is blocking aid is “simply a lie”, said Israeli government spokesman Eylon Levy on X. “There is no limit to the amount of food, water, medicine, or shelter equipment that can enter via Israel. There is EXCESS CAPACITY at Israel's crossings for more to enter.”2 days ago

Israel's war on Gaza updates: US confirms humanitarian aid ...

 

They can talk all the BS (and contradict their own reporting) all they want. The facts are the facts.

American's own media is finally catching on.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/01/midd...estrictions-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html

 

Sorry, but the reporting isn't credible.

"Israel says it is not limiting the delivery of aid to Gaza, and it has blamed the United Nations for failing to distribute it to those in need — or worse, diverting aid to Hamas."
How Israel's restrictions on aid put Gaza on the brink of ...

The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › World › Middle East

2 days ago — Israel says it is not limiting the delivery of aid to Gaza, and it has blamed the United Nations for failing to distribute it to those in need — ...

 

For decades? How many decades since 2007? Define "decade".

You routinely claim that nothing got in or out of Gaza for...err, decades. Not true, says the UN.

Yes, blockades are acts of war. Israel and Egypt blockade Gaza. But blockades are naval and aerial, not terrestrial. Blockades are not sieges.

 

The short answer would be: "Far fewer than Jews exterminated by Hamas." but, to be honest, I don't know how to answer your question because Israel's borders have changed dramatically since 1948.

I apparently have not expressed my condemnation of Hamas' criminal brutality loudly enough but I don't know of anyone else here who has spent time in and around Palestinian refugee camps to see the causes of hopelessness that eventually turns to rage and violent revenge.

Violent revenge for decades of loss, humiliation and murderous persecution is not unique to Palestinian Arabs as Zionist terrorist gangs exemplified during the heavily censored Nakba and and the current right wing Israeli government is demonstrating with their obscenely disproportionate genocide.
Briefly put, I don't think that any race, religion or nationality is exclusively either good or evil.

Thanks,

 

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So what? My request was: " ... show where I have ever denied that the Holocaust happened." and you can't because I don't deny that it happened.
Again, I'd be happy to discuss that topic at a related thread.

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Long before Israel helped create Hamas to take out the PLO and pit Palestinian against Palestinian, Zionist terrorist gangs were butchering, raping and murdering the British and Palestine's native residents so please don't assume that only Arabs have the capacity for violence and cruelty.

Palestine's native residents have had their homes, farms and shops destroyed and / or stolen and been effectively herded into an open air prison where Netanyahu likes: "...mowing the lawn" occasionally and taking hostages to torture for the entertainment of demented sadists. (1)

The unfortunate truth is that there will always be a Hamas in some shape or form until there is a just and durable peace with mutually agreed upon borders close to those stipulated under international law.

Finally, how do the questionably translated words on a piece of paper justify machine gunning of line of hungry and homeless, unarmed women and children?

The same trigger happy IDFers who gunned down half naked hostages waving white flags and used tank rounds to "save" hostages are just following orders as they "Fire at every person..." (2)

With about 1.8 Billion increasingly resentful Muslims in the world making alliances with BRIC and other nations, Netanyahu's genocidal foray around Gaza is increasingly likely to expand significantly and make Israel far less secure.





(1). “IDF Let Israeli Civilians Film Torture of Palestinian Detainees: Report”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-torture

EXCERPT “Israel Defense Forces officers brought Israeli civilians into detention centers and allowed them to watch and film Palestinian prisoners being tortured, according to survivor testimonies published this week by the Geneva-based Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor." CONTINUED


(2). " 'Fire at every person': Israeli soldiers reveal they were ordered to shoot to kill in Gaza combat zones – even if targets may have been civilians"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fire-at-every-person-you-see-israeli-soldiers-reveal-they-were-ordered-to-shoot-to-kill-in-gaza-even-10223427.html

EXCERPT "The Israeli military deliberately pounded civilian areas in the Gaza Strip with incessant fire of inaccurate ordinance during last year’s war against Hamas and was at best indifferent about casualties among the Palestinian population."CONTINUED

 

You're distorting what "someone" claimed in order to evade the facts about real conditions in Gaza.

If you're going to quote the claims of "someone", you should be honest and accurate when doing so.

What I wrote and supported in an earlier comment # 240 said nothing about "treatment" but, instead, focused on access to shelter, food, water, and medical care so, while my assertion may be disturbing, it is a simple fact.

Excerpt from Post #240

"As usual, I can support by my assertion that, in general, inmates in German WW 2 work camps received more food, water, shelter and medical care up to 1945 than Gaza's homeless, starving,(2) wounded, sick and mutilated native residents are currently experiencing.

Israel's Defense Minister, Yoav Gallant declared:

“We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.” (3)

Israel''s right wing Netanyahu regime has made good on its threat to murder even more of Palestine's native residents through starvation, exposure and dehydration.

Meanwhile, Allied doctors inspected the German kitchens and discovered that:

"Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” (4) CONTINUED


It may be another inconvenient fact but there were about 3,000 babies born in Auschwitz without a single birth death, meanwhile Israel's genocidal right wing element has destroyed Gaza's medical system deliberately prevent Gaza's expectant mothers from access to shelter, food, water and prenatal or postnatal health care. (1)

Finally, my focus was on access to shelter, food, water, and medical care. While that comparison may be disturbing to the naive and professionally deceived, it is a well supported fact. What is even more disturbing than any comparison is the blind support of blatant, Zionist genocide. (2)

Thanks,


(1). " Newborns die of hunger and mothers struggle to feed their children as Israel’s siege condemns Gazans to starvation"
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/midd...arvation-siege-mothers-babies-intl/index.html

EXCERPTS "Health workers say they cannot offer life-saving treatment to malnourished Gazans because Israel’s bombardment and siege has crushed the medical system.

UN experts accused Israel of “intentionally starving” Palestinians in Gaza.

The babies of thousands of women “who are due to give birth in the next month in the Gaza Strip are at risk of dying,” the UNICEF State of Palestine Humanitarian Situation report said on Tuesday. At least 5,500 pregnant women “do not have access to prenatal or postnatal check-ups because of bombings and need to flee for safety,” the report said."CONTINUED


(2). “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
http://www.ijan.org/uncategorized/jews-against-genocide-statement-and-action/

EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED

 

You can tell that apologists for Zionist genocide and "Greater Israel" expansionism are desperate when they reduced to name calling.

For example:

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser". .... Socrates

Slandering people who refuse to remain silent during another genocide is the only form of rebuttal that Netanyahu's genocidal shills can come up with as an excuse for the systematic extermination of Gaza's, traumatized, starving, sick and homeless residents.

Equating opposition to blatant Zionist genocide and expansionism to "anti Semitism", "Neo-Nazism", "Jew hatred" etc is such an old and cowardly evasion ploy that ethical Jews dismiss it as "The Trick" or worse:

“Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick’”
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm

EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED. (from Shulamit Aloni)

Thanks and keep up the good work.

 

Gallant's "seige" came right after Oct 7 and was lifted within days. Hamas is responsible for the conditions in the Gaza Strip.

 

Please explain how Hamas is killing civilians at a higher rate than in any other country in any other major conflict this century.(1)

How is Hamas responsible for the murder of 120 West Bank Palestinians by right wing extremist "Settlers" (2)

The rationalizations, denials and evasions exhibited by apologists for this blatant genocide are getting "...curiouser and curiouser ".

Thanks,



(1). "Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam"
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-rele...r-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam

"Israeli military killing 250 Palestinians per day with many more lives at risk from hunger, disease and cold"

EXCERPTS "Israel’s military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day which exceeds the daily death toll of any other major conflict of recent years, Oxfam said today, as the escalation of hostilities nears its 100th day.

Israel’s total blockade of the Gaza Strip is restricting life-saving aid, including food, medical supplies, and water and sanitation facilities.

“On top of the already horrific death toll, many more people could die from hunger, preventable diseases, diarrhoea, and cold. The situation is particularly worrying for children, pregnant women and those with existing medical conditions." CONTINUED


(2) "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/11/israel-west-bank-palestinians-settlers-violence.html

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas." CONTINUED

 

They aren't. As I have shown previously the ratio of civilians to terrorists is well under 1:1 which is better than any other war. The IDF is the most moral military organization involved in a shooting war in the history of the world.

 

Now you're just making up unsupportable nonsense that no rational person believes.

I've already supported my claim that IDF has been killing civilians at the rate of 250 innocent civilians per day. That's the reason even Israeli media regards IDF as "The Israel Massacre Forces (1) and the "Most moral military organizations...." doesn't shoot children at play. (2)



(1). "The Israel Massacre Forces"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-israel-massacre-forces-1.5962852

EXCERPT "The shooting on the Gaza border shows once again that the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"CONTINUED

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(2). “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
https://kalamu.com/neogriot/2014/09...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/

EXCERPT “Footage released on YouTube clearly shows Israeli soldiers firing live rounds at Palestinian children playing on a roof in Al Khalil, an area of Hebron in Occupied Palestine. An important piece of evidence attesting to the brutality of Israeli occupation. Yet, Facebook users have reported that the social media platform is preventing them from sharing the video.” CONTINUED

 

Hang on, why screw us over!

 

I have detailed "those numbers" multiple times in this thread.

 

Except that the "Palistinians" don't want one. They want Israel.

Spare me. You embarrass yourself with statements like this.

There are no Palestinian lands. There never have been. The "palestinians" live in Israel. They are, in fact, Israelis.

I wouldn't know where to start with this nonsense.

 

Agreed. It's somewhat tragic to see the ignorance of history on display in this thread.