Israel Shooting Those Waiting for Food Aid

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    No. There is war going on.
     
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    As I thought.

    A massacre of innocent women and children, but you call it a war.
     
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    You are mistaken. I am correct. Sorry.
     
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    I suppose if you approve of total war and consider thousands of innocent civilians murdered and maimed as collateral damage you’d call this a war, but you’d be wrong.
     
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    Genocide is a crime whether in time of war or peace.

    Not only that, but:
    https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf

    It's not just Israel that has a responsibility.

    WE have a DUTY.

    And, the world is watching.
     
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    I suspect the US government has lost all credibility and any moral authority it once had. It has committed unbelievable crimes since 9/11, but since Genocide Joe took over its gotten much worse. It’s instigation and provocation of the war with Russia, blowing the Nord Stream pipeline, and now it’s horrendous support of Israeli genocide in Gaza results in the world realizing it’s a nefarious untrustworthy force for evil.
     
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    From my perspective, Hamas' political victory is relatively recent and entirely understandable as a choice of a severely traumatized society.

    I am unaware of anyone here that has spent time in and around Palestinian refuge camps and also studied and worked in the field of psychology who is unable to grasp the reality that desperate people without hope do desperate things.

    No one reading this who owns a computer and is lucky enough to have the reliable electricity to use it can imagine the anger and resentment caused by 80 years of ruthless Zionist occupation.
    I don't imagine that anyone here has gone more than a day without food and / or drinkable water or been without electricity for days at a time on a routine basis.
    Briefly put, the loudest critics of Hamas couldn't go for a week in Gaza living under the "normal" circumstances and cannot imagine what life in Gaza must be like even on the days when Netanyahu feels like "...mowing the lawn"

    Finally, my biggest concern is that Israel's treacherous, manipulative and parasitic lobbies will finally draw the US into fighting its de facto War on Islam just as they deceived the US into destroying Saddam, Iraq and millions of its people. (1)

    There are already US troops in Israel that face the greater danger of being put under Israeli command in the event of the expanded hostilities that Netanyahu is in the process of initiating.
    The traitorous US politicians who serve AIPAC etc have already demonstrated that they won't hesitate to send young American G.I.s to die for Israel's regional hegemony in order to ensure their political career.

    The only good thing that could come of Netanyahu's Gaza genocide is that many younger Americans are seeing insatiable Zionist expansionism and genocidal agenda for the first time and widely condemning it around the world. (2)

    At this point, it seems that they are America's only hope from being manipulated into into a disastrous Zionist contrived War on Islam.

    Thanks,






    (1). "Douglas Macgregor blamed pro-Israel policy for driving the United States into the Iraq conflict after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks,"
    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/anti...eli-lobby-funds-officials-who-want-war-649228

    EXCERPT "Douglas Macgregor, a top adviser to President Donald Trump’s new acting defense secretary, routinely blames “the Israeli lobby” and “neocons” for pushing the United States into wars.

    CNN’s KFile uncovered interviews in which Macgregor, a decorated combat veteran who appears frequently on Fox News and other conservative media, says “pro-Israel” donors and the pro-Israel lobby are behind efforts to drive the United States into war." CONTINUED


    (2). "Half of Young People Say Israel Is Committing Genocide Despite Strong Media Bias"
    https://truthout.org/articles/half-...ommitting-genocide-despite-strong-media-bias/

    EXCERPTS "The poll findings are a powerful show of young peoples’ support for Palestinian rights despite widespread repression.

    According to polling conducted this week by The Economist/YouGov, 49 percent of people aged 18 to 29 say that they think Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians, with 24 percent saying they disagree and 27 percent saying they’re not sure." CONTINUED
     
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    Nobody who has served in combat in any military thinks that the deliberate starvation and systematic extermination of Gaza's native residents is a "war".
    Only armchair chickenhawks and scripted Hasbara trolls are calling this genocide "war".

    Meanwhile, what about the other hostages being tortured and starved in Israeli gulags?


    1. “Palestinian prisoners in Israel jail tortured, starved”
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231110-palestinian-prisoners-in-israel-jail-tortured-starved/



    2. ‘Brutal Revenge Campaign’: Israel is Torturing Thousands of Political Prisoners



    3. “Torture and Abuse”
    https://www.btselem.org/topic/torture

    EXCERPT “The Israel Security Agency’s (ISA) interrogation regime relies on isolating interrogatees from the outside world and uses holding conditions to weaken interrogatees in body and spirit. The cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment – at times amounting to torture – is a blatant violation of international law and basic moral standards. Many authorities facilitate the ISA’s operations, including the Israel Prison Service, which creates inhuman holding conditions, the Attorney General who gives ISA agents immunity, and the Supreme Court which sanctions the interrogatees’ isolation.” CONDITINUED
     
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    Please tell us the last time you served in combat or were involved in any legitimate war.

    Thanks,
     
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    1969. It has been a while. How about you?
     
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    As you know, most Americans have no idea Israel is and has been imprisoning thousands of Palestinians including women and children, some for decades in horrific conditions. It’s likely the Hamas attack on 10/7 taking Israeli hostages, was an effort to get imprisoned Palestinians released via prisoner swap.

    Americans generally know nothing of Israel’s horrendous treatment of Palestinians but they know all about Hamas atrocities, including many that aren’t true. Proof they only know state propaganda.

    I read a column the other day that stated the IDF likely killed more Israelis on 10/7, than did Hamas. The Hannibal Directive on steroids. Indiscriminate firing by the panicked IDF murdered not only Hamas fighters, but Israeli hostages and those fleeing Hamas.

    Would it surprise anyone informed if we learned years from now the vast majority of Israelis killed on 10/7, were killed by the IDF?
     
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    Yes, I am intimately aware of American MSM's egregious pro Israel bias (1) and have repeatedly posted sources that expose how most American have been professionally deceived by blatantly pro Israel Western MSM.

    Among those deliberate deceptions were tales of "headless babies", "babies in ovens" etc that were even parroted by Biden and other US politicians who grovel before AIPAC.

    While your suggestion that frightened, hate filled and trigger happy IDFers killed more of Hamas' hostages than Hamas is at least a very strong probability given that they fired on half naked hostages waving white flags and machine gunned a line of starving, homeless and sick men women and children.

    Of course, the dwindling number of right wing supporters of Zionist genocide will howl "conspiracy theory!" but firing tank rounds into a building full of hostages and firing on unidentified crowds of people with helicopter gunships is an irrefutably murderous and moronic style of hostage rescue.

    Your assertion that IDF killed more hostages than Hamas is plausible also in that dead hostages have little negotiation value so Hamas had no motive to kill them.

    The hostages taken by Hamas, however, are valued by genocidal Zionists primarily for their propaganda value as a welcome distraction to what the rational world clearly sees as blatant genocide with no End Game or objective other than killing as many Palestinians as the world will tolerate.

    The other topic about which pro Israel Western MSM has been conspicuously mute are the thousands of Palestinian hostages being tortured and starved for the amusement of a sick society. (2)

    Palestine's native residents have recently been characterized as somehow less civilized and subhuman by the same people who find amusement in watching human torture, support mass murder of "human animals" and regard the mutilation, burning and traumatization of primarily hungry, sick and homeless children as a "war" so I have little hope for peace as long as Netanyahu and his henchmen enjoy unconditional and unlimited military aid extracted from America's coffers by insatiable Zionist lobbies.

    Finally, opposing Netanyahu and his fellow war criminals is not "anti Israel" or "anti Semitic" as their fatally flawed Gaza genocide will only make all Israelis and Jews around the world less secure.

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    (1). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/column...trong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

    EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

    Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with," CONTINUED


    (2). “IDF Let Israeli Civilians Film Torture of Palestinian Detainees: Report”
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-torture

    EXCERPT “Israel Defense Forces officers brought Israeli civilians into detention centers and allowed them to watch and film Palestinian prisoners being tortured, according to survivor testimonies published this week by the Geneva-based Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor.

    “The former detainees said groups of 10-20 Israeli civilians were brought in and allowed to record torture sessions in which the men, stripped nearly naked, were beaten with metal batons, electrocuted, and had hot water poured over their heads. The ex-prisoners said some of the Israelis laughed while filming their torture.” CONTINUED
     
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    What do you make of Chucky Schumer’s little senate speech criticizing Bibi and demanding new Israeli elections?
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/15/politics/schumer-israel-speech-analysis/index.html
    I think he’s much too late with these comments. He wants Bibi gone, but proclaims his love for Israel and failed to criticize the genocide. He like many dumb Americans, blames the mass murder of Palestinians on Hamas. Most hypocritical.
     
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    Scummer's a power hungry thug. pure and simple. He hates Bibi because Bibi is not a big leftist and Bibi is friendly with Trump. Bibi's a war hero too and I suspect that annoys Scummer
     
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    Thanks for asking.
    After 60 years of witnessing America's disloyal politicians and policy makers grovel before AIPAC etc and demonstrate complete political subservience toward America's infestation of right wing Israeli lobbies, I was shocked at even a tepid objection to any right wing Israeli politician.

    Yes, Schumer is much too late with much too little condemnation of the Netanyahu regime's genocide in Gaza which has the highest civilian death rate of any other major conflict this century. (2)

    Yes, I was disappointed but not surprised that Schumer still lacks the integrity that is needed to fully condemn Netanyahu's genocidal agenda but appreciate the fact that a little criticism is better than none and hope that more American politicians will begin to speak up against Zionist genocide and land theft.

    You're right about the many professionally deceived, dumb and gullible Americans who have been programmed to blame Hamas for IDF's mass murder of over 15,000 hungry, homeless and sick children.

    Finally, it is indeed hypocritical of Netanyahu's traitorous Hasbara shills to complain about Schumer for meddling in Israeli politics when Israel's numerous lobbies in Washington have dominated US policy making for decades, managed to extract $ Trillions from working Americans and consistently betrayed the US (3) by stealing America's top secrets and selling them to hostile governments around the world.

    With "allies" like Israel, who needs enemies.

    Enjoy your day,



    (1). "Israel’s Stranglehold on American Politics"

    "The harder it becomes for Israel to sell its apartheid state, the more pronounced its already massive interference will become."

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/israels-stranglehold-on-american-politics/

    EXCERPT "The massive interference in our internal affairs by Israel and the Israel lobby, far exceeding that of any other country, including Russia or China, is not an anti-Semitic trope. It is a fact.

    Israel’s lackeys in the political class, along with bankrupt courtiers in the U.S. press, including former American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) employee Wolf Blitzer, are making a serious mistake, however, in refusing to acknowledge Israel’s outsized, transparent and often illegal meddling in the American political system and Israel’s brutal oppression of Palestinians. It is too obvious and too egregious to hide." CONTINUED


    (2). "Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam"

    https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-rele...r-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam

    "Israeli military killing 250 Palestinians per day with many more lives at risk from hunger, disease and cold"

    EXCERPTS "Israel’s military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day which exceeds the daily death toll of any other major conflict of recent years, Oxfam said today, as the escalation of hostilities nears its 100th day.

    Israel’s total blockade of the Gaza Strip is restricting life-saving aid, including food, medical supplies, and water and sanitation facilities.

    “On top of the already horrific death toll, many more people could die from hunger, preventable diseases, diarrhoea, and cold. The situation is particularly worrying for children, pregnant women and those with existing medical conditions." CONTINUED


    (3). "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

    EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public."CONTINUED
     
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