Socialism ends in failure 100% of the time… just like democracy.

Teaching psychology. Focusing on the more problematic aspects of our nature such as our biases, prejudices and delusions. In terms of teaching history, don’t teach kids a sanitized whitewashed version, teach them the complicated realities instead.

 

Yes people get powerful and greedy in capitalism. And then they start pushing for more socialism, because other people still own some of the stuff and the greedy/powerful don't like that, they wanna be in charge of it ALL. At least in capitalism you have a shot at making your own way and not being dependent. I guess you can in socialism too, if you don't mind crime

 

Well said. I would add that the downfall of democracy is in the freedom it fosters as freedom breeds diversity which breeds conflict.

 

I get that you're trying to be overly literal, but even then you're still wrong. For every physicist that theorizes the universe in finite, another one just as respected theorizes that its not. As it stands, the universal is both possibly and effectively limitless, and thus too are its resources.

But overt literalism aside, the reason 'wealth' is unlimited is because through the use of labor, we expand our resources. A human can thrive on far less land today than 100 or 1000 years ago due to social and technological advancement. And that trend will continue. But social and technological advancement requires work. So, via work, we increase the usability of our resources, effectively increasing them. And there is not currently a defineable limit on that trend.

Now, if we all stopped working, then yes, resources become finite. But we're not going to do that ...right?

 

I'd like to think that as we progress, diversity is less the cause of conflict and scarcity is more the cause of it. But ya, its still kinda both right now.

 

Whatever are you blabbering about? There has never BEEN a more dynamic show of capitalism ever before or since ANYWHERE in the world.

Socialism of or from the left is the lie that the right has been scaring their base with my whole 73 years. Hillary lost because a very devious Oligarch, Robert Mercer, used his computing genius to figure out how to carry a few key district in fewer key states and therefore win the EC; but in fact "Hillary" won the popular vote, something no tRumpublican has ever done.

Really, IF you're not a "right winger" ... what are you?

Which is ALL more horseshit. Democrats ARE for the fundamental Constitutional principal, our "North Star" as President Biden put it, THAT ... "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL".< - peroiod

No, but "they" have ALWAYS had enough of a majority to beat the rights ass every time, if the right didn't come up with some scare tactic like socialism/communism to get there base and enough independents to vote for them. And even then it doesn't always work.

No, that would be the RIGHT, especially tRaitor tRump.

No, that would be tRaitor tRump, and that is AbsaByGodLutely EXACTLY what his goal is THIS YEAR!

 

Yep! AND "it"/socialism just would never work in the real world without some "strongman" to enforce it.

I'm not talking about "underwear", I'm talking about Totalitarian Dictatorships disguised as socialism or socialist; whatever you're talking about.

And in fact is a totalitarian dictatorship.

And were totalitarian dictatorships ... to the core.

In that "context" we ... U.S. ... are NOTHING like socialist, ever were, or ever will be. Unless tRaitor tRump gets elected. And NOTHING like what Democrats hope, in their (or your) wildest dreams (actually).

"THAT" context would be a disaster, one that tRaitor tRump is threatening RightByGodNow!

 

Which of Trump's past or proposed policies remove any resources from private control and move them to bureaucratic control by the public (aka the collective)?

 

As far as I can tell his whole campaign is about becoming a dictator; and he has the Heritage Foundation with their 2025 project ... "planning" to implement it.

THAT IS a disaster you really should find, "BAD".

 

What is it that you think he is going to dictate over? What is he going to make people do (or stop doing)?

For example, modern socialism usually focusses around making people supply more of their resources (usually labor, in the form of income) to the collective. It also is known to force people to either emit less carbon, or pay more for emitting more carbon.

What is that Trump stands to either force you to do or prevent you from doing?

 

I don't think it's that "thought out"; his plan is to become president, by hook or crook, whether he wins the election or not. The Heritage foundation wants to get rid of anyone in government that doesn't support ultra-far right goals and tRaitor tRump.

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Project 2025, organized by the Heritage Foundation, is a comprehensive transition plan aimed at guiding the next GOP presidential administration. Let’s delve into its key aspects:

1. Policy Agenda: Project 2025 outlines a conservative policy agenda that spans various areas, including reproductive rights, LGBTQ and civil rights, climate change efforts, and immigration. These proposals, primarily authored by former Trump officials and conservative commentators, seek to reshape federal government protections12.
2. Personnel Recruitment: The project aims to populate the next GOP administration with extreme loyalists to former President Donald Trump. It even conducts online trainings and loyalty tests to identify potential hires who align with Trump’s agenda1.
3. Training: Project 2025 emphasizes training for personnel who will commit to following Trump’s directives without question. The goal is to ensure alignment with the conservative agenda1.
4. 180-Day Playbook: During a transition period of 180 days, the project intends to execute a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if Trump returns to the White House in 20253.

This initiative, backed by a coalition of over 100 organizations and individuals, poses a significant threat to democracy, civil rights, and more. It has garnered support from media figures like Steve Bannon, who considers it the “blueprint” for Trump’s potential second term1.

They will get full cooperation from tRaitor tRump and in return he will be installed as president for life and protected from criminal prosecution at all levels of government. Once they get that far it's a hop skip and a jump to all out tyranny.

 

All very good points! Its a good thing we don't have full blown socialism yet. We have socialist programs that are backed by $$$ generated from capitalism. I am not saying capitalism is where its at. (it has major flaws). I'm sure humans can come up with something much better. What would you do if you had 100% power and authority? Just curious.

 

We had totlitarianism during WWII whether right or left wing

No socialism is not some fear mongering it is a legitimate threat and it is grwoing. EVen Joe Mccarthy was more right than wrong, Hillary loat because she was lazy and incompetant. She acted as though it were a coronation and no voting was needed. She ignored the swing /flyover states and assumed everyone loved her. She also lost because the dems are no longer moderate or any thing resembling centrist. The have allowed the far loeft to take over the party.

It is the socialists who do not need a majority and yes they are winning

 

If you don't except the notion of and omnipotent all knowing ever present God then entropy is the strongest force in the universe and it effects every thing and even the stars and the planets themselves eventually wear out as do we.

 

No, nothing like it.

That's nonsense. The left side of the aisle, except for a few outliers, is just as capitalist as the right. And, you claimed HRC lost because she was socialist now your saying she was incompetent. I don't believe you know what you believe.

No, it's Democrats that HAVE a majority and always have.

 

But what if you do?

 

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yes the government was totalitarian in WWII censoring and controlling mail and media with an iron fist. Locking up millions of americans in camps. Rationing commodities, Freezing wages. Banning and stealing private property by fiat.

 

You really have trouble reading in detail. The democrats have allowed the outliers to run the party and I never said Hillary was a socialist.

They have no majority and once again you are ignoring the point that socialists do not need one.

 

Wouldn't that depend on how much you "redistribute"? If you redistribute everything, then its obviously going to run out, but if you redistribute a small percentage, then it will last. All Western countries have some degree of redistribution aka tax payer funded services.

But is redistribution of wealth same as socialism? Socialism is government owned and operated means of production, while "redistribution" typically refers to social services.

Soviets did, while Nazis had military dictatorship, with privately owned means of production. Very different systems. USSR, Cuba, North Korea and former Albania are examples of socialist countries

 

I think there's a very real danger that society will learn the wrong lessons from history.

Or will be "mis-educated". (Where facts will be presented in a selective way to draw the wrong conclusions, due to limited normal human intelligence, or due to ideological bias, where those running the schools are not willing to be completely honest with themselves about all the facts of history and making fair assessments and conclusions)

 

That's just not reality, yes the Government implemented a lot of war time rules for safety, security and resource management; but it had to if we were going to win the war AGAINST world wide totalitarian government.

 

These were totalitarian rules and not done for safety or security or resource management.

We did siilar things in the civil war as well

 

Then entropy is the second strongest force in the universe.

 

No I don't, I have trouble accepting RW bullshit that the Left side of the aisle in the U.S. is working toward totalitarian socialism; that's just false.

They have not. I thought you did; sorry

In my 73 years the Democrats have always out numbered Republicans. Winning the independents has been the way to political victory especially for Republicans.

 

Yes I do as I never said the left side was workign for that I said far left socialists are and the demcorats have allowed THOSE people to run the party which is true.

Yes they have

Nope gop vs dems goes a little up and down but it is fairly evenly matched