Socialism ends in failure 100% of the time… just like democracy.

No she is not alt right. You have no clue and are ignorant of that person.

The THEM was the socialists in her video who you think do not exist. You asked for an example of them saying it I gave it to you.

Deal with it

She never said the words " moral fabric of the nation ". It is not about morality. The socialists do not seek to abolish the faily due to moral or immoral reasons or anything of the sort. They wish to abolish it for practical reasons. They oppose capitalism which they see as any private property and parental rights ARE the highest expression of property rights. Parents have rights over their children which in turn are a commodity. You have to turn off the tap and keep the buorgeois from replacing their aging work force as they die off which is precisely what the socialists see the family as. They see it as nothing more than a capitalist constructed means of production to make generation after generation of workers to exploit.

You are really striking out all over. By whore chasing lying ***** grabber you certianly mean trump. Massive failure for you as I am not and have never been a trump supporter. This is not about trump. However TDS must be real as you have to drag that idiot into every discussion whcih has nothing to do with him. Your world must revolve around that guy.

 

There are many things I did not learn about such as detention camps for Asians during WWII. I would prefer as realistic depiction of history possible. I was also never taught about the list of failed democracies nor why they failed. Seems an important thing to teach our kids so perhaps when they grow up they may be better at avoiding the pitfalls such as loyalty to party or politician over country, or even worse, conflating the two.

As for psychology. Much of the problems with society are in some way made worse by our ignorance of our own psychology. As a man with no political loyalty it is easy for me to see the hypocrisy, moral and ethical corruption of the political left and right. I assume if psychology were a core requirement for graduation that it would mitigate this to one degree or another.

Would this save our democracy? I don’t know but I doubt it would hurt. The alternative is to continue this theater of the absurd.

 

Diversity is an important part of democracy, yet it is simultaneously its greatest weakness. Human nature is tribal and authoritarian. Diversity over a long enough timeline will inexorably devolve into the us vs them we see growing in America. A healthy functioning democracy is impossible when you have competing special interest groups vying for cultural dominance as seen in the culture war between the political left and right in America.

Human nature is; for me and mine at the expense of you and yours. This makes a healthy democracy impossible and dooms it to eventually fail from within. When I look at the partisan left and right I see competing authoritarian systems of control, both enemies of democracy.

 

If you knew who the "them" are who control the party, you would just name them, but you can't because you run with these conspiracies you hear in YouTube and Twitter. You were told they somehow control the party, and you bought the line.

No, I do not suffer from mental problems, but since the conversation has sank to the usual alt-right level, it's time to say adios.

By diversity, you must mean diverse political views, and not what people usually understand by it. Cultural and racial diversity is not needed for democracy.

 

I am a bit more pessimistic. Cultures that share what historians call first principles are doomed to at a minimum social dysfunction and at worst civil war. It is unfortunate that a system of government based on freedom will eventually be brought down by the diversity it breeds.

 

A problem with capitalism is if our democracy fails, capitalism fails with it. Unfortunately the freedom democracy breeds leads to division that rips a country apart. Capitalism does nothing to prevent this.

 

Democracy seems to be doing pretty well. But you compared an economic system to a political system. Non sequitur.

 

Hmmm I'm pretty sure I did have Japanese internment camps in history. To bad I don't have my old US History textbook from high school. I would love to compare with the modern version of what an old textbook was. In any case, how would having the Japanese internment story in textbooks save democracy? I'm pretty sure, even if it wasn't in yours then, it's in every textbook now. Is democracy somehow saved due to that? If that's the case, Gen Z and Gen Alpha will be the most democratic in history. I don't even see how that was a story about loyalty to party or politician over country. Do you think there was widespread support for internment during World War II because of personal loyalty to Roosevelt or the Democratic Party? I'm just not seeing that. If you have a case to make on that I would be curious.

As for psychology, this is easy to test. You could do a study comparing college graduates in psychology with other majors and see if they actually understand their own psychology in any way that makes a difference in a democratic society. I have absolutely no reason to think psychology majors are in any way better at seeing "the hypocrisy, moral and ethical corruption of the political left and right." If there is a study on that I would like to see it, but it seems counterintuitive to me. My personal experience with psychology majors in college is that they were severely damaged people who were trying to understand themselves. If those people were in charge we would be in a Maoist hellscape in no time.

 

Based on your comments on this thread, I'm getting the feeling that the way we view the world is radically different. "Diversity is an important part of democracy?" I absolutely don't get that. Usually a democracy works because the polity has shared values. "Diversity" generally means they have wildly different values.

Even in a polity with shared values (i.e. non-diverse) you will still have "competing special interest groups" that are pursuing their own agendas. That was true in the very founding of our country, when we were much less diverse and had a much more in common both in culture and values. If you don't think a healthy functioning democracy is possible with factions than you simply don't believe there can ever be a healthy functioning democracy.

 

Sadly, the Republic is already lost. This became painfully clear to me when the late Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia noted that the language in our laws doesn't matter anymore. In other words, the United States ceased to exist as a nation governed by the rule of written law and became a sham republic governed by the arbitrary fiat of legislators, presidents, judges and bureaucrats. Public officials routinely make a mockery of their oaths of office by violating the Constitution, the individual rights of American citizens and the rule of law with impunity, often to the cheers of their supporters who foolishly believe that it isn't their rights and prosperity that is being eroded.

Then, of course, there is this:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by dictatorship.
-- Alexander Fraser Tyler (1747-1813)

I happen to agree with you that education, both within and outside our educational system, may be the only remedy for this, but I would go further and say that Americans need not only a better understanding of History and human nature/psychology, but we need a better understanding of civics and economics, as well.

At the root of it all, however, I think we need to relearn and regain an appreciation for the Individualism and Liberalism (in the classical Western sense) that enabled our nation to obtain the levels of freedom and property that our ancestors could only dream of. Unless we relearn and regain this and reverse the decline of our Nation, all we can do is acknowledge that the last crumbling bastion of individual freedom has fallen and the American Experiment had a good run - 248 years ain't bad.

In parting, I leave you with this sobering thought - unfortunately it's come too late for too many:

The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.
--Samuel Adams

At least some of us tried...

 

100%?

Democracy in the United States hasn't failed... yet.

Progressives keep imploring their agenda and it might.

But right now, it is not 100%.

 

It is not a conspiracy they openly say it and I gave you the names.

Yes clearly you do. Trump controls your brain. By adios you mean you are conceeding the argument

 

it's best to use the best of ALL systems, use what works, toss the rest and do not limit yourself to any one system

Corporatism seems to be killing capitalism though, and AI could be the end of Capitalism

 

There is no conceding. Its your personal bull-crap and trolling which ends it. Enjoy your conspiracies, and say hi to the others when you get to the bottom of my ignore list.

Commies are coming.....commies are coming........

 

There is no such thing as pure capitalism, because there have always been, and always will be services provided by the government, - the Constitution actually mandates some services.

I think AI will complement it rather than destroy it. Lot of money will be made with AI.

 

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Yes it is

I posted no conspiracy. Conspiracies are not out in the open

 

for some... others not so much

 

That's how capitalism works. Uber, Facebook, AirBnB, etc made some people very rich, and the rest of us get to choose to use their service, or not use them. Anyone can take a crack at new inventions. Risk and reward......

 

Corporatism is destroying Capitalism, AI will replace workers, not good, biggly bad!

 

Eeehh.....people always say that. The assembly line was supposed to do that, then more automation, then computers, and now AI

 

yep, small businesses are dying now, it's real and it's comming fast

 

The opposite is true America is in decline because of neoliberal policies by the right.

If you look at the wealth gap at the Federal Reserve wealth distribution tables, the gap Really started widening right around when Reagan was elected and Reagan accelerated neoliberalism in America and that ship of state hasn't been totally reversed yet. A little by Obama and Biden but not a lot.

 

Definitions I see define it as a political and economic theory.

I am glad you see democracy as doing well. Wish I shared your view.

 

Teaching about Japanese internment will do nothing to save democracy. It was just an example of whitewashing. How history could strengthen our democracy is by educating kids on why past democracies failed. Looking at previous failures is a great way to maximize the potential of future success.

My mentioning those that place loyalty to politician or political party over loyalty to country, or conflating the two is that it is one sign of a weakening democracy. It demonstrates competing first principles which is corrosive to democracy. Democracy requires broad support of a shared set of values. Today in America I am not seeing much of that in our politics. Today it seems to me that the left and right are more often than not in disagreement on first principles.

As for psychology, I believe society would benefit from the education. Why do I know what I do about my own body? It’s because I had some basic biology classes in school. It is why, if I see a man flopping around on the floor, that I would call 911 for EMS rather than calling a priest to preform an exorcism. To think we can know our minds without an education in psychology would be silly, and it is also our nature. I think the tendency for most is to overestimate themselves… myself included. Those that do not understand concepts such as the Dunning Kruger Effect or our propensity for confirmation bias will be ill equipped to mitigate those problematic aspects of their own nature. Politicians and the voting public not understanding this is disastrous for democracy.

 

I agree that democracy depends upon shared values. The problem is that a democracy that places high value on freedom is doomed to be undone by the conflict that such freedom and diversity breeds. It seems to me that in America the left and right want to expand their freedoms while doing all they can to limit the freedoms of the opposition. What shared values do they even have that could be strong enough to bring them back to a more respectful and cooperative place? I am hard pressed to even think of a shared value the left and right have.

Your statement about me is correct. Human nature makes a healthy long lasting democracy an impossibility. Our nature is tribal and authoritarian, both are corrosive to democracy. History is littered with failed democracies and I doubt our democracy will be any different.