Socialism ends in failure 100% of the time… just like democracy.

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  1. JohnHamilton

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    Not any more. "The new socialism" is huge government with high taxes and volumes of regulations. It suppresses freedom of speech and the press. There is only one party in control because that party sets the rules for elections. There is private property and the government does not own all of the means of production, but it exercises heavy control over it.

    China started to use this model when its economy was growing. From what I understand Xi wants to go back to the old Mao system as much as he can, which probably explains why he's having problems now. The old Stalist, government ownership and planning system, is dead from I can see among far left thinkers.
     
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    Not really. The government controls the economy in both cases.

    And all of them are or were economic basket cases. North Korea and Cuba are both having major economic problems.
     
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    That's just not true, the Democrat Party is NOT trying to implement socialism.
    War requires extreme measures to win, that doesn't mean the government is totalitarian.
     
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    I think WEB is teaching new lessons that may prove that false.
     
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    If so, then we don't have much to worry about. Taxes are very low, and people regurgitate all kinds of nonsense all day long, and government lets private businesses run themselves. The only issue would be DeSantis style government meddling in private businesses, or massive tariffs pushed by Donald Trump. But DeSantis is not going anywhere, so there is no need to worry about him for now. Election rules have not changed.

    Nazi Germany was a military dictatorship, and everything revolved around the military, and war, but the government did not nationalize the businesses, - it made them rich. USSR was textbook socialist country. Trying to portray Nazis as an example of socialism is intellectually dishonest.
     
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    I see literally no evidence to support that. Most scientists do not believe that the universe itself is immortal.
     
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    One more tiem read SLOWLY

    The extreme far left within the demcoratic party IS doing that the and obverall democrat party has allowd them to be in charge of the party.

    The government was totalitarian in WWII and the civil war and you are simplay make very bad excuses for it.

    There was no justification for locking up millions of americans without due process
     
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    The truth is These United States are at AbsaByGodLutely NO risk of becoming socialist.
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    Since World War II, the numbers of registered Democrats and Republicans in the United States have fluctuated over time. Let’s explore the recent data:

    1. Registered Democrats:
    2. Registered Republicans:
    That's the way it's always been during my life time.
     
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    For the last time, no they have NOT.
    No it was NOT!
     
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    I didn't say that, but WEB is dramatically changing the way "most scientists" view the universe.
     
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    Every since WW2 people have been told to fear because the US is becoming socialist / communist. Then we were told to fear the muslim terrorist, and then its the flaming transvestites who play basketball with girls, and then back to commies. People need to be kept fearing, because then the politicians can promote themselves as the saviors from those evils.
     
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    Diversity is a mixed bag, leading to both innovation/creativity and conflict.
     
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    Yes it is in danger of becoming socialist. They are growing
     
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    Yes it absolutely qas and the historic record proves that fact

    The examples I gave you were absolute totalitarian
     
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    What web are you talking about searching either as all caps or as initials isn't revealing anything now if you are talking about the giant space telescope you're grossly misinterpreting what they are finding. which can basically be summed up as oops we were wrong our theories are full of holes we need new theories. The biggest issue is that the universe simultaneously appears to be much younger than we though while simultaneously containing things that can't possibly exist at that age.
     
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    Yes there is, that doesn't mean it doesn't grow.
     
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    Sorry, I'm not all the way awake. WebB Telescope; it's discoveries have Astor-Phisicists rethinking all we know about the origins of the Universe ... and on. Apparently you are aware of it's findings.
     
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    No, there is a difference between "totalitarian" and emergency protocols.

    No, in fact U.S. are in NO danger of socialism. At no point in our history has socialism done serious damage to our Republic. Which cannot be said for the many train wrecks capitalism has caused; going back to the Great Depression right on through to the Great Recession the unbridled greed of capitalism is a ever present constant danger to every American.
     
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    The founding fathers had a real problem with authoritarian everything.
    It's why they structured our government the way they did; all manner of checks and balances aimed at keeping government smaller and under the control of the people.

    Why they gave states more control than the Federal Government.
    Why they made it hard to amend the constitution.

    Since WWII we've seen the Federal Government grow exponentially, gobbling up control, power, and money like a leech on our butts.

    It's why Congress for the most part quit taking care of our business and started worrying about their business.

    It's why we're $34 TRILLION and counting in debt.

    The founding fathers didn't care so much about liberal/conservative, they worried more about the simple but very true adage;
    Power Corrupts
    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
     
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    No there is not.

    Emergency protocols is simply an excuse. The interment of millions of americans in concentration camps was not due to some protocol nor was it for safety or securty or to manage resources. It was a totalitarian violation of human rights.

    Yes it has done seriuous damage and the threat is growing despite what you think in your echo chamber.

    Capitalism has fed more and elevated the lives of more people throughout history than any other idea. Socialism is a failure ALWAYS
     
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    No it's not, our debt growth is what it is because Ronald Reagan, for the first time, took debt growth exponential, sentencing America to forever be in unmanageable debt.
    Yet Capitalism wasn't even colloquiall until the beginning of the 20th Century.
     
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    Capitalism wasn't even colloquiall until the beginning of the 20th Century. IMHO it's "free enterprise" that has done more to advance humanity than any other economic idea. Capitalism has been a great implementer of "free enterprise" but, it's also been the cause of EVERY financial down turn and collapse in since 1913.
     
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    No it has not,

    Typicall it is governemtn interference central planning and regs leading to down turns
     
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    Which, except in time of war when it made the difference in winning and losing, the U.S. has never had, and actual history proves quite the opposite.
     
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    There wasn’t much difference between Hitler and Stalin.
     
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