Genitalia vs Chromosomes: what makes you male of female?

Didn't you just say women who produce less estrogen aren't female? Wow!

How………. Compassionate

Are they not also people?

 

No, that was @Golem in response to @Joe knows , and even then Golem was asking if Joe was claiming if the producing of less estrogen made them less female, based on the claim of females are the ones who produce estrogen.

 

She cited a faulty number of individuals who are intersex by citing medical issues that result in the production of fewer hormones but have nothing to do with not having a male or female sex. For example:



Apparently, this "logic" is common, it blows my mind....

 

Yes! Sad how people feel they must victimise others. I see that as an indication of low self esteem

 

The reason why puberty blockers were used was to delay the development of secondary sex characteristics until the child was old enough to make those decisions. The actual surgery on minors was rare and there is no indication that the surgery was not for some physical developmental disorder

 

“She” has never claimed what you claimed “she” did! What I am quoting is medical science - don’t know what you are quoting

 

No did NOT aver that

 

I'm concerned about the health implications of puberty blockers, do you have any information?

 

At present we have no definitive research on the other hand we have not seen huge side effects beyond what is a “normal” side effect for hormonal treatment I.e. loss of bone density

https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/camh.12437

We are talking here of a minor number of children some of whom are being treated for disorder of sexual development. This is a massive storm in a minute teacup

 

Hmmmmmm

https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/jpem-2018-0048/html

Seems there is more issues we need this medication for than just gender dysphoria. I am not surprised that we do have issues with precocious puberty given the mount of pseudo oestrogen we subject our children to.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09513590400021060

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-80015-4_10

There is a gobsmacking large amount of research out there pointing to the potential for EDCs to alter sexual development. Mostly in animal models but it is there. Instead of worrying about the handful of children on puberty blockers why not start lobbying to remove this rubbish from the environment? Suing the companies dumping this **** is a good start and 3M just had to fork out over 3 billion dollars for dumping “forever chemicals”

 

If you are quoting Bowerbird, then you should include the quote link, so that I can see if you are quoting her out of context or not.

 

From the Mayo Clinic:

 

Precocious puberty was the reason for the development of the puberty blockers. Did you know that the youngest female to give birth was 5? And the boy was, miraculously, healthy.

 

Did you or did you not quantify the number of intersex people by including individuals who have issues that cause them to produce less hormones than is typical? Yes or no will suffice.

 

The problem with puberty blockers is that most kids will grow out of their transgender phase and the puberty blockers have irreversible side effects that can cause a lifetime of mental, emotional, and physical health issues. An outpouring of current research shows providing puberty blockers causes more harm than good, and early statements from activist professionals about just pausing puberty without side effects were complete lies. These drugs are making kids sterile and causing permanent physical body alterations before their brains have developed enough to fully understand what this means for their long-term health.

 

I posted earlier the criteria by which puberty blockers would be given. These are not given out willy nilly, nor without concern and specific conditions. Nor are these given out to any prepubescent minors. Puberty blockers would not be given out when a minor simply expresses a feeling of being transgender, despite the claims of opponents. They have to display that the level of dysphoria is sufficient to warrant the use of puberty blockers.

 

I’m not obsessed with pronouns, but the Alphabet community is.

 

Only right-wingers.

If Miss Jones gets married, and wants to be addressed as Mrs. Jones, it's up to you if you want to be polite or not. Nobody is "forcing" you to do anything. Sure... Mrs. Jones might get angry at you if you decide to be a jackass. And most people who are not a-holes would likely take Mrs. Jones' side in the argument. Would you then hit the social sites "denouncing" some sort of "conspiracy" between married women and liberals to "force" you to use a title?

It's just good manners. Nothing more. Whether you have them or not depends only on how many spankings you got (maybe too few, maybe too many) when you were growing up.

 

If you are one who is adamant on using the pronouns of what you think they are, then you, lass, are just as obsessed with pronouns as you claim them to be.

 

LINK: Believe data, not activists: Transgenderism among kids is mostly a fad (msn.com)

Little to no evidence? How about a 15 year study with 2.7k kids being watched until age 26?

LINK: Development of Gender Non-Contentedness During Adolescence and Early Adulthood — the University of Groningen research portal (rug.nl)

Btw, your articles...my take away from them is that they simply have no clue either way and are just putting something out to put something out.

 

And you source for this knowledge is where? Alex Jones? Gateway Pundit? Some idiot on Faux News?

 

Lols! New York Post! lols! Hyperbole and hyperreactionism.

Research - if you are not quoting from either a text, a research paper or an article written to academic standard then you are just repeating twaddle

Your second link is to an abstract on a university in the Netherlands which does not mention puberty blockers

 

And how was the mother? Ye GODS! 5! The trouble with teen and pre teen pregnancies is the the baby and the mother compete for the same nutrients

 

What I did not claim was that being female relied on production of certain hormones. And I use the medical definitions of intersex/DSD

 

1: Our discussion had nothing to do with puberty blockers. Perhaps you should refresh your memory on OUR discussion. I even quoted your post so that shouldn't be too hard.

2: The NYPost has a history that is longer/older than the NYTimes. You don't get that old by publishing "hyperbole and hyperreactionism". Just because you don't like what they publish about doesn't mean that what they posted is false. Shooting the messenger just shows that you can't argue against the facts that they published.

3: That second link is a summary of a study that was done that the NYPost talks about. A study done by a highly distinguished school in the Netherlands. If you want to see the study itself you can do so through the links on the site that I linked to in that second link (hint: its on the right hand side of the site I linked to). Mind you, this paper is coming from an area that has been on the forefront of pushing for transgender healthcare. Maybe you should listen to them more carefully rather than relying on biased studies here in the US.