A solution in search of a problem.

How did you "look into" voting fraud "extensively!!!"

Who's "we", you and your neighbor watching 2000 Mules?

I'd say it's you that know nothing about the voting process and have been subverted.

The only proven voter fraud, so far, was a few Republicans trying to vote for relatives.

 

And yet you continue to make those claims without offering ANY proof.

 

Thank god because that's the only thing you've said that makes sense. You can't just make claims and back them up with more of your own claims from other threads and call it proof. Well, you can, but don't expect anyone to take your word for it.

 

Not in Federal Elections.

Non-citizens pay Local and State taxes and their kids go to school, so in some places they are allowed to vote in local elections. That's why America exists remember, no taxation without representation.

 

No, what's "weird" is you believe that.

 

I am extremely curious, and concerned, about how you came to believe such a blatant falsehood.

Noncitizen voting isn’t an issue in federal elections, regardless of conspiracy theories. Here’s why

Former President Donald Trump turned to one of his favorite themes on Friday — the specter of immigrants improperly voting in federal elections. House Speaker Mike Johnson came to the former president’s Florida compound to announce that he would introduce a bill to stop those who are not citizens from voting in elections.

Trump has made baseless claims about this subject before, like in 2016, when he blamed his loss of the popular vote on voting by immigrants, and then appointed a commission to investigate the issue. It disbanded without identifying a single case of a noncitizen casting a vote.

WHAT’S THE LAW?
Federal law requires all voter registration forms to advise those signing up that they have to swear under penalty of perjury that they are a U.S. citizen.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-im...ns-explained-cf4c73b336147b5f5d9c2a22b2564994

 

It's not. <-period

 

Two independent things don't prove each other.

Whats the penalty for the crime?

You (my question)
What is the penalty for a state allowing non-citizens to vote in federal elections

Copilot
Using the web
It’s a federal crime for non-citizens to vote in federal elections. This is also a crime under every state’s laws1. Under federal law, non-citizens could face up to five years in prison simply for registering to vote1. It’s also a deportable offense for non-citizens to register or vote1.

In addition, federal law states that it is unlawful for a non-citizen to vote in federal elections and establishes the punishment of a fine, one year in prison, or both for violation of the law23.

However, it’s important to note that these laws do not apply to elections at the state and local levels2. As of March 2024, seven states specified that non-citizens may not vote in state and local elections2. The District of Columbia and municipalities in three states allowed non-citizens to vote in local elections as of March 20242.

 

The point is, and as many conservatives point out on MANY issues, if you have a law you're not enforcing, why would you think another one will help?

 

I, like @kriman , have lived in multiple states, and have never been asked to prove my citizenship when registering to vote. His point is that, therefore, illegal aliens could easily register and vote.

You have made the absolute assertion that illegal aliens are prevented from registering and voting. Can you support that assertion with an example of how that prevention works?

Keep in mind that prevention is a barrier, not a rule. For instance, you are not allowed to exceed the speed limit, but there is nothing that prevents you from doing so.

 

To register to vote you have to show proof of residence and a SSN.
To get a SSN you have to present a Birth Certificate or Passport
To get a Passport you have to present a Birth Certificate.

So, in order to vote, somewhere along the line, you have to prove citizenship.

There have been about 1600 know cases of attempted voter fraud by non citizens in 20 years and they were all discovered.

The only know voter fraud in 2020 was by Republicans trying to vote for relatives and tRaitor tRump and associates trying, in many ways, to overturn the election.

 

Those seem to be reasonable preventative measures if they are consistently enforced. Nevertheless, it is impossible to prove the above bolded assertion. One cannot possibly enumerate how many were not caught. It is logical to assume that if X number were caught, that Y number were not. But, it is similarly logical to assume that illegal aliens are not rushing to the polls to cast votes in our elections. While putting in place additional protections against it is not unreasonable, the OP is correct, it is a solution in search of a problem.

 

And what's the penalty for a state that doesn't bother to try to prosecute noncitizens who break the law by voting in federal elections?

 

I think it’s safe to say that not enough illegal immigrant votes were cast to make any difference.

 

All States have laws making it a serious crime for illegal immigrants to vote with stiff penalties for trying and even trying to register to vote and they are enforced rigorously. I don’t see a need for such a law but, if you do contact your Federal Congress People.

 

Follow your own advice.

LOL, yeah, it exists for the safety, welfare and security of IT'S CITIZENS and those here legally; those are the ones paying the taxes.

 

We should pass more repetitive laws to make it apparent that we’re SERIOUS! We really mean it!!

 

I mean after all, anything that can help to give legitimacy to The Big Lie and help Agent Oranges keep his big buoy pants on is a must. Humiliating Johnson is a necessary bonus.

 

Boy, there sure do seem to be a LOT of folks on the Left that don't want legislation that helps ensure that Bribed Joe's Open Borders 10M, don't vote in national elections.

Weird!

 

Immigrants pay a surprising amount of taxes. Look it up.

 

I have already described my experience in Maryland. This certainly isn't the case in Maryland. Anyone, whether citizen or not can register to vote and obtain as many ballots as they want in the mail without ANY identification whatsoever. And there are ballot drop off boxes everywhere. It is a joke. It might be illegal to do so, but it is set up in such as manner as to make it child's play to subvert and get away with it.

 

I spent six 90 hour weeks going through the metadata and watching the videos first-hand as described in my posts. During that time I completely examined TWO people and a few days of a 3rd. I randomly selected them. While I fully recognize a sample of 3 people is not a significant sample, in 3 out of the 3 cases the were indeed engaging in A LOT of ballot stuffing. One close to 3000 ballots, another almost 1900, and 3 days of another amounted to over 150.

 

Immigrants or illegal immigrants. Legal immigrant are subject to tax laws. Illegals? not so much.

 

Weird how adverse some Leftists are to election integrity, clearly they do not fear that the GOP will try to cheat.

 

No it sure as hell aint.

You just said it was based on a 3 person sample, how could you possibly come to that conclusion?

I'll call BULLSHIT on that one.