A solution in search of a problem.

Well, you better get started with that. Because, it's going to take decades. And, that's only if you can stop the flood first.

In the meantime, the ones who are here are having babies, lots of them. Each one born a US citizen. And those kids are going to grow up watching how one political party is working to send their illegal alien parents back to whence they came. They are going to hear their beloved parents regale them with tales of how evil Republicans are hunting and deporting them, making it difficult to get healthcare, jobs.

And, when those kids turn 18, they will vote democrat. This is the long game. It's far too late to consider deportation a viable counter strategy.

Democrats are playing 3D AI chess here, while Republicans are playing tiddlywinks.

 

Noncitizens can vote in some states. They arent supposed to vote in federal elections, but some states dont prevent it. Thus noncitizens are voting in federal elections. Ignoring those states votes would be disenfranchisement of their citizens. But maybe thats the only way to achieve enforcement of federal law- the citizens make/enforce the law of their state. Yes states have rights, but they also have obligations to the Union, such as not allowing noncitizens to vote in federal elections. Or those states could secede...

 

Not in a Federal election, that's illegal and criminal. That's the point of the OP. The redundant House bill is purely to help Trump "sell" The Big Lie. If you need to gas light the MAGA base, and hurt democracy in the process by falsely undermining elections, you're doing Russia's bidding. FACT, noncitizens voting in any Federal election is illegal, PERIOD.

 

Smoking weed is still illegal in some states too. And it still happens all the time.

What is the penalty for a state allowing, either deliberately or by ignorance, noncitizens to illegally vote in a federal election?

 

Irrelevant, this is pure Prima Donna virtue signaling to stroke the ego of America's No1 liar desperate to win in Nov even if he destroys democracy in the process to legitimize The Big Lie for his purposes. He's doing the bidding of America's No1 foe, Russia, and authoritarians around the world. It's ALREADY illegal to vote in a national election if you are not a citizen. There are laws for this already. You are flailing at a windmill, MAGA!

 

If there's no penalty then there's no enforcement and no compliance.

Do you think noncitizens SHOULD be voting in your elections? Because clearly they are being allowed to, legal or not.

 

What does a paranoid, right wing fantasy have to do with Trump's attempt to perpetuate the myth of voter fraud among those who are not legally allowed to vote? Or more broadly, to call the legitimacy of elections in to question?

 

Which elections? Are you referring to some cities where the residents have voted to allow non citizens to vote on some ballot questions? Surely you aren't taking about elections for national office. If you are, you are disinformed.

 

The context of the discussion was regarding state vs federal elections. Some states allow noncitizens to vote in their state elections, as per their state constitution. But federal elections do not allow noncitizen voting. Tho some states don't enforce it, and Fedgov hasn't been enforcing it either. No penalties = no enforcement.

 

You seem desperate to have an unnecessary redundant already existing law ignored in order to help Trump and his abuse of the House, to promote The Big Lie. Does freedom and democracy scare America's enemies that much that one is willing to waste time Prima Donna virtue signaling existing law with Agent Orange hovering in the back ground gas lighting America doing Russia's bidding? Why would that be appealing that the House waste time and money on pure B/S?
It's already illegal for noncitizen to vote in federal elections, sorry, that's a fact.

 

If the bill doesn't include an increased level of enforcement, then it will be redundant. Since the text of it isn't available yet, looks to me more like you're desperate to keep noncitizens voting...

 

If, if, if......you are dancing all over the place to sell The Big Lie B/S.
How about we "if" this,
Is there already laws for this? Answer, hell yeah and a noncitizen voting in a Federal election is ALREADY A CRIME!

 

Whats the penalty for the crime?

If theres no penalty, then there's nothing preventing people from engaging in the crime.

 

Is your google broken? It's a felony, your posts have devolved to flailing/deflecting since the facts are that there is already an existing CRIMINAL law and the Mango Menace is just gas lighting America with Russian Active Measures which for some reason you also need to do. The facts are clear, the laws already exist and this is just to give The Big Lie some oxygen and cred. Do better...the Trump show at MAL on Friday only exposed it for what it is, to stroke his ego.

 

There needs to be penalties levied against the states that dont enforce federal voting laws in federal elections.Their right but also their responsibility.

 

Why does a paranoid left wing object to requiring proof of citizenship in order to register to vote?

 

There is already a criminal law in existence, FACT, you are swinging at windmills and apparently "invested" in promoting The Big Lie? Is it helpful to America's enemies?

 

So if we make, say, assault rifles illegal, but we never fine or imprison anyone for making, selling, buying or using them, would you view any attempt to actually enforce penalties for breaking that law as 'redundant' since they'd be 'already illegal'?

 

lol I don't believe we've even had a turn yet.

 

"so", "if".....you keep flailing to get any toe hold for propaganda against American democracy. Question is really why? Why would you knowing that there are already laws on the books criminalizing a clear legal felony crime, noncitizen voting, keep trying and failing to give traction to The Big Lie? The Trump/Johnson photo op showed the weak hand of anti democratic gas lighting by having Johnson appear with The Russian Agent Orange to launch this anti democracy shenanigan:


Anti democratic Liars doing Putin's work, why join them?

 

Well, I'm not sure what you find to be a paranoid fantasy in what I posted, it is the plain reality of the situation. Like I said earlier in the thread"
"Once again republicans can't see past the next election. The democrats aren't trying to allow illegal aliens to vote." So to that extent, I agree with the OP.

 

This is not a new development. The OP is correct in that the proposed legislation is meaningless. Because, illegal aliens voting is NOT the goal of the open-borders left. It is already illegal and would be very difficult and pointlessly dangerous to try to pull off. Especially when they've already won. All they have to do is keep the illegal aliens coming in and wait for their kids to start voting. Unless something can be done about birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens... and soon... the fate of the republican party is set in stone. And, once the political pendulum stops swinging, which is the ultimate goal of the democrats, the fate of the republic will soon follow.

 

They can and will be removed. It isn't that difficult if you have the will.

 

Boy a LOT of Leftists sure don't want legislation to ensue that the millions of illegals Biden brought in, don't vote.

It's not claimed that illegals don't vote, rather it's claimed that illegals, illegally voting is "not widespread". Just like they claim that other ballot fraud is 'not widespread", but of course "widespread" is never defined. What they are saying is that the level of various types of ballot fraud are acceptable, whereas the GOP is completely against ballot fraud.

Too many on the Left want elections lax enough that they can steal elections when they can win them, without fraud.

More and more of the privileged Gentry beginning to openly admit that while they belong to the Democrat party, they aren't democrats at all, but autocrats who want a 'democracy' that for show only, with the privileged pulling the strings and rigging the results.

This is why they do not want election security.

'AP is very careful in choosing the language used to bat these concerns away. That pattern continues throughout the entire article. It's worth a moment to take a look at some of their defenses and complaints. For example, notice how they choose to say that there isn't, "any indication that noncitizens vote in significant numbers in federal elections..."'

Every fraudulent vote steals a legal vote. Even ONE stolen vote is too many.

'They don't even suggest that there haven't been cases of noncitizens voting. They're simply saying that it doesn't happen in significant numbers. So what are those numbers and who is the arbiter of how many would be "significant?"'

That's easy, if the Dems win the cheating is insignificant. They's scream like a cat with it's tail slammed in the door if there is any cheating and a Republican wins.

' even one noncitizen voting illegally is too many. '

'And in the "rare" cases where it does happen, they offer a handy excuse, saying that it was a legal immigrant who mistakenly thought they were allowed to vote. See? It's just an innocent misunderstanding.'

'the AP goes on to complain about primarily GOP-led efforts to clean up the voting rolls and root out ineligible (or dead) voters'

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/0...why-noncitizen-voting-is-no-big-deal-n3786459