Pacquiao vs Mosely

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  1. kronikcope

    kronikcope Active Member

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    Frodly, they both would be taking a drug test using blood, meaning no advantage would be given to Mayweather. Secondly, it's a drug test, not a pint. It's literally less than a teaspoon like already mentioned.

    And the second negotiation fell through because Pacquiaos camp refused to give up PPV revenue and guaranteed money if his blood tested hot.

    And E, it's not just Mayweathers camp claiming this, and it's not even because he's put on so much bulk the last few years. Dozens of fighters and camps that have nothing to do with Pacquiao or his division are claiming the same thing.
     
  2. Tettsuo

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    Margarito is not a big puncher, neither is Cotto. Mosley is a bigger puncher than both of them by virtue of the fact that Mosley KOed Margarito when Cotto, who was pounding Margarito for 10 rounds, couldn't dent him. Margarito lost his steam when he lost his concrete handwraps.

    Mayweather took a solid shot from Mosley... twice, and didn't go down. In fact, he kick it into another gear and beat Mosley for the remainder of the fight. Mosley will be the biggest puncher Pacman has ever faced. If he allows Mosley to tee off on him, he will most definitely feel it.

    BTW, Mayweather took a left hook from De La Hoya more than once and took the shots well. Mayweather's chin is very underrated.
     
  3. Gunny1

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    Bottom line is this fight could have happened already. Mayweather is the one holding it up. If he really wanted to fight Pac he would have already. So I don't want to hear him whine now. I think he's scared and knows Pac is the better fighter.
     
  4. kronikcope

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    Mayweather is the one holding the fight up because he wants Olympic style drug testing? That's a joke. If I were Mayweather I would be asking for the same thing from him, seeing how many in the boxing community already make comments about his alleged steroid use. Mayweather has a perfect record and I'm sure he doesn't want it tarnished by a cheater.
     
  5. frodly

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    You claimed Mayweather would not fight because of the drug testing issue, however Pacquiao agreed to the testing, and Mayweather still wouldn't do the fight. That is ducking a fight. It is as simple as that!!

    Mayweather also made the claim without a single shred of credible evidence. These articles sum up the issue quite well.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...roids-the-truth-and-what-its-really-all-about

    http://www.nowboxing.com/2011/04/pa...ather-fans-will-finally-face-the-truth/17395/


    It talks about the lack of evidence, and the illogical nature of the claims. Like how Pacquiao is on steroids because he went from 106 to where he is now. Ignoring the fact that at 16(Pacquiao's age when he turned pro) Mayweather was fighting at the exact same weight 106!! They also ignore the fact that Pacquiao came from extreme poverty in the Phillipines, where malnutrition was common, to a life where he has access to the best food and fitness regiment in the world!! It all adds up to show the claims to be entirely bull (*)(*)(*)(*)!! Mayweather ducked the fight. It is that simple. Pacquiao accepted all the demands(demands that were unreasonable), and Mayweather would still not fight him. Mayweather is a great fighter, but he is also a coward who has never beaten a single top level fighter in their prime. Where Pacquiao beat many.
     
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    Ummmmm..... YES!! It is an unreasonable request, made by a particularly stupid man. There is no evidence to support the claim(which is why Pacquiao is now suing Mayweather and will likely win), and Pacquiao actually gave into the unreasonable requests. It is indisputable that Mayweather is ducking the fight. Stop making excuses for him.
     
  7. Really People?

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    If someone were making baseless accusations at me, saying I was juicing, with no proof at all, I'd prolly tell em to (*)(*)(*)(*) off too... just sayin...

    Peace.

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    Before or after Mayweather???

    Peace.

    E
     
  9. Gunny1

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    RP is right. You don't jump through hoops for some assclown. If boxing asks him to then that's one thing. But you don't jump every time some punk accuses you of something and starts making demands.
     
  10. Tettsuo

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    The same can be said about Pac. All he has to do is give a teaspoon of blood randomly. What's he afraid of? With 30mil on the line, I think a few teaspoons of blood is worth it.
     
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    Sorry, but that's pretty irrelevant. If you want a teaspoon of my blood and you'll give me 30mil, win or lose, I'll use a butter knife and get the blood for you. Pac is acting rather fishy around this random testing thing.
     
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    Even with the biggest purse of your life on the line? The man bleeds more during a fight for goodness sake! It's a minor request for a huge payoff.
     
  13. Really People?

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    Absolutely... Pac's got money already... and Pac doesn't really bleed in his fights, you have to get hit for that to happen... and, it'd be a minor request if the bosing commission made it, it's not if Mayweather makes the demand behing baseless accusations of Pacquiao juicing...

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    Seriously? Pac gets hit a lot.
     
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    I can't recall him really gettin bloodied up much recently... maybe early in his career, but, I don't think so recently...

    Peace.

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    You're mostly right. He hasn't gotten bloodied and beat down in a long, long time. But he does take a good amount of shots. But he's also known for being tough as nails and able to take hard shots and keep going. Kid has a phenominal chin.
     
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    Yup... when he does get hit, it's like it didn't happen... which is why Mayweather doesn't want to fight him...

    Peace.

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  18. Tettsuo

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    What Pac really needs to do is stop going after Mayweather leftovers.
     
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    Do you think Pac would beat Mayweather? Why or why not?
     
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    He could, I have no doubt about that...whether he would or not, well, that would be best left for when the fight actually happens... see, one of the things that works well for Mayweather is his constant backing up (call it defense if you want, I guess it is in a sense), and pot-shotting frustrates his opponents, and they give up, and he takes over from there... I don't see that paying off with Pacquiao... he's relentless in the ring, and Mayweather knows that... I mean, look back at the Mosley fight... Shane had him hurt bad in the 2nd, twice, but didn't capitalize, and Floyd slipped into his mode, and Mosley was non-existent for the rest of the fight... that won't be the case with Pacquiao, I can guarantee you that... look at his fight with Clottey... Clottey just stood there with his hands up the whole fight, not wanting to mix it up, and Pacquiao just kept coming at him...

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    That's the funny thing about it, no one believes Pac will destroy Floyd, and most believe Floyd has everything in his favor. I often believe Floyd should just fight him, juiced or not. But, it's not my health on the line.

    It wasn't something Shane did wrong in the 2nd round, as Shane is one of the best finishers in the sport, it was Mayweather having the focus to know he was hurt and instantly trap Mosley's right hand so he couldn't hit him again until he recovered. Watch the fight again, and you'll see Floyd actually trap the hand that hit him before Shane could withdraw it for another punch. Floyd is definitely a brilliant fighter.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAC6o9420fc&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAC6o9420fc&feature=related[/ame]

    It's early in the vid.
     
  22. frodly

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    Pacquiao accepted!! How hard is that to understand? He also accepted a blood test immediately after the fight in the first set of negotiations. Also random urine tests as well. Pacquiao bent over backwards to make this fight, and Mayweather made as many excuses as he could to ensure the fight never happened!!
     
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    I actually know of a lot of people who believe exactly that!! Mayweather wins by using his incredible hand speed, and the defensive style where he rolls his left shoulder instead of using his left glove. Pacquiao is one of the only fighters in the world with hand speed to match Mayweathers, and he throws from such unpredictable angles, that Mayweathers strategy of rolling his shoulder may be ineffective.

    However I do NOT think Pacquiao would destroy him, because I think what Mayweather does best(his counter straight right hand), Pacquiao is very vulnerable to. So I think the fight will come down to Pacquiao's angles and volume vs Mayweathers precision. I think it will be close early, and whoever wears down will lose. In other words will Pacquiao's volume wear down Mayweather first, or will Mayweather's precision counter punching wear down Pacquiao first. If you watch both the Mosely and the De La Hoya fight, you will see that both come out and do well early, but wear down and become hesitant to punch for fear of counter punching.

    Overall I think it would be a great fight. If only Mayweather didn't avoid the fight, and if only he weren't a woman beating pos, we may have had the fight of the century. Instead Floyd has robbed boxing fans of the event of a lifetime!!
     
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    I agree. I think they both robbed the fans.

    As for the fight itself, Mayweather has all of the advantages. Even if they have matching speed, Mayweather has much greater reach and height.
     
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    Pac accepted blood tests that were at set times. He did give a bit when he suggested there be a window of about 28 days before the fight were no testing was allowed.
    After the fight is too late. He could get on a cycle and off before fight time and pass the test. Getting juiced works only during training camp.

    The only way to ensure the test are accurate is 100% random tests. It's not like Mayweather wouldn't have submitted to the same test.
     

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