I totally agree. There is one fighter in the world good enough to beat Mayweather(assuming Mayweather still has it after all these layoffs), and that is Pacquiao. I think Pacquiao and Mayweather are by far the 2 best fighters in the world. I think some fighters can challenge them based on style, but I don't think anyone will beat them.
Agreed. I really think Mayweather is a really bad match up for Ortiz. Ortiz has given lesser fighters problems because he's a southpaw with big power in both hands that always comes forward throwing massive hooks. You couldn't give a counter puncher who's well past that southpaw hex like Mayweather a better style to fight against. Berto knocked Ortiz down twice off counters, watch for Mayweather to do the same, except he will actually utilize his jab and not get drawn into a brawl with Ortiz.
His camp is going to have to come up with a heck of a game plan to beat Mayweather. The problem with Mayweather is that he gives people problems, not the other way around. Counter punchers with good movement that use their jab are the hardest style in boxing to prepare for, mentally and in terms of prep (Ali, Winky, Mayweather, Jones Jr, Calderón). Hesitation and second guessing your punch usually comes into play, especially after getting popped a few times off of counters. Someone like Ortiz who throws more hooks (often times wild hooks that start at his hip) than I think I've ever seen from another fighter better come with something a heck of a lot different than he did with Berto and most of the rest of his career, because if not he's going to get schooled.
It's all gonna depend on Ortiz, because with Mayweather, one of the things that helps him is that his constant backing up and dodging frustrates his opponents and throws them off their game, and they tend to give up on attacking him... because of that, Pacquiao is the more likely guy to beat Floyd, moreso than Ortiz, but, we'll see... also, how bout Canelo Alvarez? He's now on the undercard for the Mayweather-Ortiz PPV, most likely fighting either Mayorga, Cotto, or Chavez Jr... Canelo is great, and having seen that he has been working on his defense, he has nowhere to go but up... Peace. E
I'd like to see Alvarez in there with any of those 3 guys. Which Cotto are we talking about btw? He whooped Jose Cotto last year, so I'm guessing we're talking about his brother? He is a heck of a talent though, and will be a great addition to this card.
You are correct, it's Miguel, and yup, I always enjoy watching Alvarez fight... he's gonna be a superstar before it's all said and done... but, as you said any of those three opponents would make for a hell of a show...
No kidding. That fight alone could headline a card. And I agree, he's a special talent with what looks like a very bright future.
Yeah I could see Alvarez v. Cotto gettin top billing, but, Alvarez has to pay his dues, I guess... although, he already has 37 pro fights, 0 losses, with 27 KO's... it's when he gets his first big US fight that he'll be launched into superstardom... Peace. E
Watch Ortiz' fights since he fired grandpa Garcia and hired Danny. I have never ever been impressed with grandpa's ability to train southpaws. Watching grandpa's southpaws is brutal. They move front and back like an orthedox fighter. I don’t think grandpa even knows how a southpaw is supposed to fight. Ortiz' movement has been much improved under Danny. He actually looks like a southpaw both in movement and punch selection. You mentioned the knockdowns from Berto but lets not compare Floyd to Berto. Berto is a way stronger puncher than Floyd. Way way stronger. The first knockdown was because of balance issues but there is no way Floyd's soft and brittle right hand drops Ortiz like Berto did with the second knockdown. Floyd doesn't have that kind of power. Not even close. You also answered your own question. "and not get drawn into a brawl with Ortiz." Berto got those knockdowns because he got into a brawl with Ortiz. Those knockdowns only happened because Berto and Oritz were slugging it out. The second knockdown came on the 3rd punch Beto threw all with bad intentions. When was the last time Floyd chained together 3 punches with any intention? He hasn't been a combo puncher since he left lightweight. Bottom line Berto landed more right hands on Ortiz than Floyd is even going to throw. Every one of them landed harder than any right hand Floyd is going to land. Only one of them had the power to drop Ortiz and he got right back up and planted Berto. As for Mayweather being over the southpaw Jinx ... Ha ... Since when. Did he fight some southpaw I havent heard about in the 5 years since Judah.
I haven't followed boxing since college. And usually I can pick the winner. Reach of course. So i'm going with Mosely. Reach and Heighth. Have they fought already?? Who won? Ali was a great fighter. Big mouth, jackas. But still. He was a joy to watch. My last favorites were Evander Holyfield and George Foreman. I was watching the story of Billy Collins and Luis Resto. What a tragedy. For both of them.
It's already done... Pacquiao beat him pretty handily... also, that doc was called "Assault In The Ring" I believe... fantastic documentary about a terrible event...
Pacquiao only won because Mosley had a bad blister. lol. I have very wide feet. I always have blisters. If a little Pilipino is coming to take my head off I'll be able move despite my blisters.
I'm going to have to re-think my criteria. I think Panama Lewis is the bad guy. I knew it before the documentary ended. I think Resto knew something was going on, maybe even knew the glovers were tampered with but he was silent. I don't think he had the guts or the character to go against Lewis. That makes him guilty unfortunately. Lewis is the bad guy. He knew, planned and either carried it out or ordered it.
Lol. Windino is under the impression a open handed strike is more effective than a closed hand punch. I stopped taking his nonsense seriously quite some time ago. I suggest you do the same. I'm surprised he addressed me again honestly, he knows I don't take him seriously. waiting on windigo's infamous "you're just a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) wrestler line, yet again
Yeah I had my eye on Panama Lewis, but there's no way (in my mind) that Resto didn't know something was up...
You are just a wrestler. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your boxing experience comes only from MMA and you never once laced em up in a real boxing gym. And I never said an open handed strike is in itself is more effective than a close handed strike. One closed hand strike is more effective than an open palmed strike if you throw it with full power. The problem is the risk of throwing such a punch. It comes to the brittleness of the hands. Mayweather is a good example of how danger to the hands changes how you fight. Mayweather is no longer a combination puncher because his hand has been broken and it never healed right. He has to take lidocaine injections in his hands to fight. That why he wont fight in outside of Vegas. Most boxing commissions have banned the practice but Las Vegas still allows it. The proof is in the pooding. The early UFC fights v.s the Early pride fights. Early Pride's open palm strikes allowed fighters to tee off and tee off they did. In early UFC anyone who tried to unload bare knuckle broke their hand. Open palm is always and has always been better striking than bare knuckle in tournament competition. It makes for more striking and few scratches from broken hands. That is why it is standard practice in the east. P.S. I'm still waiting for your dissertation on how to throw a bare knuckle punch. Since you have never responded I can only assume that you have never read Dempsey’s book and therefore are not a real fighter just a wrestler who at times punches.
I think you really over estimate Berto's power and seriously under estimate Floyd. Also, Berto has seriously leaky defense when Floyd's defense is extremely solid. Ortiz is a good fighter, no doubt, but he's just not fast enough to do anything significant to Floyd. Ortiz is basically practice for fighting lefties. He's also wide open for counters.
Understand that kronikcope has never boxed in his life. His style of fighting is one step up from gay sex.
I'm not over estimating Berto's power. I'm just putting it relative to Floyd's. Fact, Paulie Malignaggi has scored more knockouts against true welterweights than Floyd. Now thats sad.
Says the so called judo guy....lol...what's even funnier is that you claimed to have wrestled! And now I know why, you associate wrestling with gay sex. I think we're getting somewhere now. And you wonder why I don't take you seriously. Anyways, you exact quote was "an open handed strike is as effective as a closed handed strike, if not more"... Knucklehead. And I'm just rambling off one of the dozens of laughable quotes I've seen from you.
Huh? Malignaggi has had 2 fights at welterweight, correct? He's spent almost his entire career as a junior welterweight. And he had 1 KO in those 2 fights. Meanwhile Floyd has fought in 5 weight classes? Awesome logic again.
Judo is not MMA. Like wrestling it allows for win by pinfall and both are sports. I have no problem with the sport of Judo or the sport of wrestling. I have a problem with wins by pinfall occurring in MMA. Which is what "fighters" and I use that term loosely like yourself have brought to MMA. Lay and pray decisions are nothing more than win by a long pinfall. Laying on a man for 15 minutes and calling it a win is a joke. You might as well be spooning and (*)(*)(*)(*)ing him. Its a true quote. In real bare knuckle fighting closed handed strikes are thrown with less power because of fear of breaking the hand. The striking in Pride was far more brutal than pre-glove UFC. Open palm striking is in practice more powerful because you are free to throw harder. Sure you can put everything into a closed fisted strike but you are probably just going to break your hand so you dont. Floyd Mayweather is the perfect example of a fighter who has lost power because of fear of a broken hand. He does not throw with the same intent as he use to and he has gloves on. Malignaggi has two fights against true welterweights(not a light welter fighting at welter mind you) one won by TKO in 6. That is one more than Floyd has because Floyd has 0. Sharmba Mitchell is a lot of things. A true welterweight he is not. We was a career junior welter who moved up to welter at the tail end of his career. That is not a true welterweight.
