Why do liberals call themselves "Intellectual Liberals"?

if there is any curiousity about what is intellectual it is the opposite of Sarah Palin.

college graduates have problems with this like George Bush, it is not to say they are not smart but they are playing the role intelligently for conservative voters.

 

Why do conservatives call themselves "Intellectual Conservatives"?

 

It should, but unfortunately the amount of logical fallacies, and formal fallacies used here is beyond laughable.

Is there an echo in here? I just posted the same thing on the last page.

The mob mentality of coulter fans?

 

1) I am afraid you are not aware of the changes which have occured to the Democrat party over the past 25 years. yes, once upon a time there was a sizable body of moderate and conservatives in the National Democrat party - but those days are long gone. even in conservative states such as Texas, the state Democrat party is totally controlled by the far Left. 50 years ago, Texas was a one party state - controlled top to bottom by conservative Democrats, today the Democrat party in Texas is becoming a footnote, and that is because the party was taken over by radicals.

2) In 2009/10 national health care was sold as national insurance - they learned from the failure of Hillarycare in 1993/4. when I say "learned" I should put that in quotes, as they made a colossal mistake ramming Obamacare thru Congress - it cost them dearly in 2010 and will cost them more in 2012.

3) you tell me what you mean by "far right" and by "fanatical"

4) Obama is in favor of cap and trade, so much for his moderate position on environmental issues

Obama has never flinched in his support for Planned Parenthood and other tax subsidized abortion providers. In fact Obama, while a state sen in IL, refused to even support the "born alive bill" which tried to protect the lives of infants who survived the abortion process - Obama is a radical on this issue.

As far as same sex marriage goes, Obama like the rest of the Democrat party routinely writes off the gay community until it is time to raise money.

5) civil rights are a part of our constitution - but there are those in our society who make their livings as agitators and blackmailers in the name of puported civil rights grievances, this is the civil rights industry. the Rev Sharpton and Jackson are two cases in point, and I guess by the strictest definition Barack Obama was a part of the civil rights industry when he was a "community organizer"

 

That doesn't make any sense. It's just another insult. Not even a creative or entertaining insult. It certainly doesn't offer any genuine insight into anything other than your own attitude.

C'mon! You can do better than this! Face facts! Experience the obvious epiphany that this is not Star Wars, and this is not a battle between good and evil, light and dark, blue and red -- it's an interaction between human beings, which inherently carries with it the potential for meaningful exchange of information and perspective.

You have it in you. Somewhere. Deeeeeeeeeeeeeply buried. Is the possibility for a rational conversation on the topic of politics to which this forum is ostensibly dedicated.

 

Yeah !!!!!!

 

You must have a much wider definition of "far left" than most.

They made a collossal mistake, but that was not the act of "ramming" anything through. The mistake was that the leadership of the party apparently didn't realize just how much power insurance companies have over them.

Far right being toeing the GOP party line on everything and fanatical being unwilling to compromise on much of anything. The whole gist of the Tea Party was essentially the far right throwing a tantrum that they lost GOP control over the country.

Would you consider his foreign policy "liberal"?

Would you consider bailing out big banks to be "liberal"?

Fair enough. I would call it something more like the "race-baiting industry."

 

1) then who would be public figures in the American Far Left? what would be examples of policies the Far Left advocates?

2) fascinating! The Tea Party movement essentially came into being over Obamacare and runaway govt spending. So, do you think that the insurance megacorps created the Tea Party?

3) give me examples of specific Far Right policies and public figures

4) I would consider his foreign policy a departure from classic liberal policies of most previous Democrat admins. Obama is an international accomodationist, it is no accident that he is deserting our closest allies and bowing to 3rd world dictators. Obama sees the future of the the US in a tectonic realignment of alliances.

5) I consider the bank bailouts and the car company bailouts to be crony capitalism, which is a hallmark of the socialist govts of Europe. Non Marxist socialism always accomodates itself with a handful of megacorps, keeping them tame and under control but always in profits. The price paid is entrepreneurial capitalism is extinguished under the socialist crony capitalist system.

 

i'm not the one with the Star wars signature line

 

I thought this was Coulter's latest book....

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More intellectual thinking and responses from the left...

 

They don't.
Only the idiot right uses that term, and in a derogatory way, since they feel threatened by anyone with a brain.

The fact that most educated people are liberal should give you a clue as to why right-wing ideology is so defective.
Reactionary dogmatism is typical among uneducated, ignorant and paranoid people, while progressive thinking is typical among educated, knowledgeable, confident people.

 

Yes, everyone who hasn't been to college is stupid. What about real life experience? You think these college educated kids know a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing about life? Book smarts are about 10% of real knowledge.

 

Don't flatter yourself.
Many right-wingers couldn't make it out of high school, let alone college.
And intelligence is more about an open, inquisitive state of mind than just about schooling. That's why right-wingers, with their reactionary, paranoid world view, are generally more intellectually challenged than liberals, who are more open to ideas and are not paralyzed by anger and paranoia about the world.

 

When did I flatter myself? Anyway, yes, we are stupid. I heard you. Don't sit here and insult me or anyone else you don't know. I am just as intelligent, if not more so, than the average college graduate who did busywork for 4 years. If you have proof that I, or anyone else here is stupid, please present it or take that (*)(*)(*)(*) somewhere else.

You implied that educated people are liberal, therefore that means liberalism is a better ideology. My point is that liberalism looks great on paper, but once you get out in the real world (which many never do) then your opinion may change. There is much more to life than the type of knowledge you are referring to. You're referring to a subset of paranoid angry rednecks and painting the entire right wing with that brush. If I were a liberal I'd be screaming about discrimination and stereotypes.

There are plenty of stupid conservatives, and there are plenty of stupid liberals, and we are all stupid in our own way. Diversity at its finest.

 

I'll edit your question to make it accurate; {Why do 'some' conservatives call themselves "Intellectual Conservatives"?}. Beats me..But I'd venture that a very few consider themselves to be 'intellectuals', as opposed to the overwhelming percentage of liberals that identify themselves as intellectuals. Although, I fail to understand why anyone of any ideology would want to burden themselves by claiming to be a part of one of the most useless and non-productive people on the face of the planet. If we were all 'intellectuals', nothing would ever be accomplished. The world is for the 'doers', movers and shakers. Intellectuals spend their time thinking about things..doers come in to 'get 'r done. [how many intellectuals does it take to change a lightbulb? I don't know...let me think about that.]

 

I don't know for sure, but it is quite possible that "liberal minded" people are so because they've been exposed to, what we might call, "Higher Learning or Concepts" in post secondary schools. It may also be true that more "Liberal Minded" people went to these post secondary schools.

Be that as it may...higher education does not make one an "Intellectual". I believe that it takes a special temperament for a person to be detached enough to truly be called "Intellectual".

Your comment about the "movers and shaker" is quite true. I think though that the moving and shaking should maybe be done with some forethought to the consequences. Its was these "movers and shakers" who invented the derivatives markets that really helped push the global economy over the edge. I am pretty sure they knew the risks...but moved and shook anyway...and it all blew up on them. Tax payers in the USA bailed them out...which would (*)(*)(*)(*) me off too...but I understand they are still at it!

Hence many people want some strict regulations imposed on these yahoos.

 

BTW...

This:
http://www.politicalforum.com/humor-satire/190806-weiner-holder-2012-a.html

Is probably one of the main reasons "Liberals" might consider themselves a little more "Intellectual" than the average American Conservative.

Again...its quite true that "Liberals" can get dumb too...it just seems they do it either because they're trying to reason with a plank...or they are just as immature as the American Conservative wing-nut.

BUT...it does seem to happen less often with "Liberals"...

 

Hey ron, I have a rhetorical question for you, and if you can't answer it, I suggest you ask your live-in lover matt for his opinion.

You stated that the world is for the 'doers', movers and shakers. In yours or matt's unbiased and or intellectual liberal brilliance, would you consider liberals or CONSERVATIVES to be those 'doers', movers and shakers in which you speak?

Please tell me that Americans were wrong in thinking/believing that liberals are the people who are lazy, willing to dumb down our school tests to mediocrity levels, support unions that seek an equal outcome basis on all levels of the workforce, seek social justice via affirmative action & quotas to ensure that the lazy, the incompetent get a leg up despite their failures in life, and feel the need to have a surrogate government fill in as the nanny that they obviously lacked during the growing adolescent stage of their lives.

So please tell me and the rest of the non-intellectual Americans that we're also wrong in thinking/believing that the 'doers', movers and shakers are CONSERVATIVES. Conservatives are those people (like myself) who seek to succeed in life by hard work, who are the unregulated entrepreneurs who move and shake things el capitalistic style, who prefer free markets to open up and unleash businesses here in our country, who become rich and in turn hire other people to work for and grow each with their own entreprenurial spirit if you will. Doers, movers and shakers do not rely on a cradle to grave benefit package, which we see advocated by the liberal intelligensia.

What have any of those ivy tower lib elitists ever produced or created in the way of goods, products etc that would actually benefit our society?

 

This is really an interesting post. You have somehow re-invented me as a 'liberal' [what did I write that even hints at that?] I spend most of my time here bashing liberals and liberal thinking and you call me a liberal. Unbelievable. You can't get any more capitalistic than me. I love money and I love being allowed to earn it. I am an entrepreneur, having started 3 businesses in my life. All produced a product and employment. I am as anti-intellectual as they come as well. (not anti-intelligent, I just have a difficult time with those that consider themselves 'intellectuals'.) You may want to re-read the post I wrote that started your rant. Then you may want to get back with me and my "live in lover...matt(?) and explain where I failed in getting my message across to you. Check out my sig as well.

 

Many intellectuals don"t have any real world skills. I can live without them. Not sure they can make it without guys like me. I mean who's going to make their wine, fix their cars, build their houses, keep them warm in the winter ect.......................................................................................................................................................................................................

 

everyone would agree that hillary clinton is smarter than sarah palin.

that is one reason they call themself intellectual.

 

What exactly do you have to do to be considered an intellectual then?

 

I would agree that Hillary and Sarah have different 'skillsets'. And let it go at that. We all have heard some of Hillary's comments and opinions lately...I fail to be able to find a way to assign her the title of 'intellectual'. If anything..misinformed and somewhat confused. I'll bet she couldn't field strip an AR 15. (blind-folded) Chances are Sarah could. Different skillsets. A basket full of intellectuals is worth the price of the basket.

 

haha yeah riiiiight.

Neocns maybe, but not all conservatives.