Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So

yeah friendly fire...

nope I was laying in the sand when I got shot... I wasn't doing no running lol...

some Pvt decided he was bored with marching and decided to shoot at anything he saw move.. or flicker... and well It didn't work out well for us... lol

 

Denials a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) ain't it

 

You consider post traumatic stress "peaceful"?

Is this the kind of freedom you guys fight for?

http://www.naturalnews.com/030302_TSA_naked_body_scanners.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-no-fondling-groping-or-squeezing-is-taking-place-at-airports.html

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqSP3RNI3hs&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]TSA Agents Humiliating And Fondling Disabled Men And Underage Girls - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh2WAfHTYT8&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]TSA Forces 95 Year Old Woman To Remove Adult Diaper - YouTube[/ame]

 

So these guys "opinion" is ignorant and backwards? They woke up and realized the truth.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAKNYSxb7_8&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]Iraq war Confessions PART 1 - YouTube[/ame]

You are proud of being a murderer?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7IKgVl2Do4&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]Iraq War Veteran's Confession's Part 2 - YouTube[/ame]

Be honest, have you ever hit an unarmed Iraqi or afghani etc with your gun and then zip tie them? Have you ever ran sacked an innocent persons house? How would you like it if they came here and did that to you? One day they might, and I will laugh at you when the video is posted on YouTube.

 

Don't you know that the moment you join the US military you're suddenly "defending our freedoms"? Even if all the wars are unjust, even if the politicians lied us into them, even if they make us less safe, less free, less prosperous SOMEHOW the people executing them are "defending our freedoms." Maybe the freedoms of the CEO of Northrop Grumman is what they mean.

 

The globalized economy couldn't exist without a single global hegemony to protect it. We are that hegemony. We can't just abandon it.

 

LMAO. Please just keep posting, SM.

"If a globalist falls in the woods,...................does anybody care?"

 

You are popping up on every thread I'm on to preach the Word of Holy Mother State to me, and I still disparage your church as false and blasphemous. A superstate to manage the world economy? It can't even manage its own economy!

Thankfully, your "hegemony," i.e. empire, is soon to go the way of all other the empires.

 

It's the empire that's causing the turmoil, so the empire has to end one way or the other, and it will end inevitably. I hope it ends in a relatively peaceful and orderly manner, but if the state worshipers get their way, they'll just keep propping it up until it collapses violently.

 

I gotta say I enjoyed the smackdown delivered by Stupidsheep in this thread, always funny to watch the welfare queens in the military get all huffy and aggrevated when people tell the truth about their support of an evil political organization.
The US federal government stopped representing the forces of good on this earth a long time ago and anyone dumb enough to sign up to serve this gangster organization is no better than a hired thug taken on by X italian gangster family, you are a hired mercenary trained to kill people that the US congress doesnt like.
It is like in the movie Braveheart, you people working for the US federal government are just like the english soldiers in that movie that were doing the bidding of the tyrant Longshanks.

 

It is true that even terrorist attacks like those that occurred on 9/11 did not infringe upon the Rights of the American People. It was the response from our government, specifically in the Patriot Act, that infringed upon our Rights. The terrorist attacks of 9/11 did not threaten our country although they were a threat against the People of the United States. The terrorists did not take away the Rights of Americans but the US government did.

It is also true that Afghanistan and Iraq did not present any threat to the United States. Neither country attacked the United State or ever had any intention of attacking the United States. The soldiers sent to those countries to invade and occupy them were not defending the United States. They were sent to invade and occupy those countries to impose US government policies upon the People of those nations and it had nothing to do with our national defense or protecting the Rights of Americans.

Some offer the misinformend opinion that the US invasion of Afghanistan was because of 9/11 but the government of Afghanistan was not involved in those attacks, no Afghani individuals were involved in those attacks, the attacks were not planner or carried out from Afghanistan, and those involved were not from Afghanistan. It made no more sense to invade Afghanistan than it would have made to attack and invade Germany where the actual planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks originated.

I do not condemn the US soldiers for this because they are not responsible for it. They go where they're told and fight who they are told to fight. I blame the Congress and the President. Congress has failed to comply with the US Constitition since WW II as it has not issued a single declaration of war against any nations since 1941. The Constitution delegates the responsibility to declare war to Congress and Congress has failed in fulfilling this responsibility since WW II. If US troops are to be sent to war then it is the responsibility of Congress to declare war against the nation which the troops are being sent to fight. It should provide the reason for that attack and order the President to fight the war. It has not done that. Instead Congress has ignored this responsiblity instead choosing to allow the President to initiate wars without any formal declaration by Congress.

The US military deserves a formal declaration of war by Congress before it is sent inot harms way. They deserve that respect and the failure of Congress to give that respect to those serving in the US military is inexcusable.

 

Original point from the top of this thread:

Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So


I agree the troops are not protecting America. That they are - inadvertently - making the world less safe for Americans (imo), not more.
Plus, the massive military expenditure is helping to bankrupt America.

But, I believe FAR AND AWAY most of the troops are doing what they do with the best of intentions.

And they should be thanked for that.

They are sacrificing themselves to help others...there are few more noble ways to live, imo.


It is their leaders who are letting them and everyone down...not those that are carrying out their orders.

And those that vote for these 'leaders' must share in much of the responsibility for their decisions. They put them in power. They could tell them to stop doing these useless and wasteful things...but the majority do not.

But it is not the troops fault; they are inadvertently not helping America in many cases...but they are trying - and the latter is how I judge them.

 

I have never hit an umarmed afghani, aned how we handled each home we went into was METT-TC dependent, but I will say that we were invited back numerous times for dinner and offered food everywhere we went. We had great repoire with the locals.

And I am not a murderer.

Nice try. But all you do now is make me giggle like a little girl, because your inorance is hilarious.

And Ill be honest, after reading your posts, I feel even better about it all.

 

It's not even clear to me that attacking Iraq protected our nation in any meaningful way, certainly not commensurate with the expense in terms of dollars and lives.

 

You are absolutely correct, Nightmare.

Your remarks are very sincere, directly to the point and well crafted!

Too bad the liberal Democrats in Congress are so foolish and so misguided that they will never appreciate the sacrifices our young men and women in the Armed Forces have so unselfishly and sincerely made.




The liberal congressional Democrats do not like our military and they never will!

 

Yep, some people believe that all men are created equal.

You admit you don't believe in the wars, which means you must admit that the US government is an occupying force. Yet you assume that innocent "locals" should kowtow to this occupying force, and the 100 dead innocent civilians are preferable to the safety of 1 dead soldier in of an aggressive, invading regime. And you wonder why people argue against you?

 

It's interesting how you "soldiers" will justify being trained robots for a group of corrupt people.

Surely you were born that way? Your parents didn't teach you to bully everyone in school and be the campus police, did they?

Did you bring guns to school?

Have any of you taken a second to turn the table and think about how you would feel if Iraq, Afghanistan, or Yemen people came here and started bombing and shooting? Think about it. How would you feel to see that happen in your city.

 

So when you were in school and you saw somebody being picked on did you sit back and do nothing while the person got beat up?

When you were in school and you saw somebody getting injured did you do nothing?

See you can put it both ways.

If you remember correctly the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 by the Taliban that is very strong in Afghan.

and that is why the U.S. troops went to Afghan.

So now the next question.

If somebody attacks or injured your brother, sister, mom or dad. do you do nothing? just watch it happen?

are your family members worth more to you then a stranger?

If you had to chose to save one person. would it be the person you love and care about or a complete stranger?

Well unless you are just a complete idiot. or you want to lie to yourself and the rest of the people you would pick the person you care and love.

Well in the Military your members of your Unit, Squad become as much of your family as your brother, sister would be.

These people you come to depend on. and you do count them more valuable then somebody who is trying to kill you or people you don't know.

But since you seem to lack any type of comradeship or compassion for anybody other then your self, you would not know how it feels to be a part of a group that you care deeply about and would risk your own life for.

Now The U.S. Military protects everybody even the Ignorant that disrespects them. We fight for the freedom of people like Obama and his Pastor who believes that the U.S. deserved to be attacked on 9/11. We defend the rights of people like Kerry who go and spit on the people he served with.

We protect the rights of people around the world, such as we did during WWII.

We help free people like we did in Iraq, where we have women, and children coming up and hugging us because they are free of a dictator that would kill them and rape them for them or a family member disagreeing with him and talking back at him.

We go to places like Libya where their dictator is killing innocent men and women, and children who want freedoms.

I know its hard for certain people that lack any sort of common sense and intelligence to understand why a group of young, men and women would risk their lives for people they don't know. But there are brave men and women that will and that is why you thank and honor them.

 

He will never understand how deep the camaraderie runs in us, especially when you serve in combat with them. It's a bond that is unbreakable.

Guess what sheep, war is a part of life. No matter what nation you live in, there will always be another that wants to see you parish. So better to take the fight to them than to fight it ok your doorstep.

Sheep asked what we would do if someone invaded us, well it depends. If we had a dictator and an extremely corrupt gov., and they were coming to help, I would be grateful that another nation was coming to our aide. Now if it was just someone trying to tear us apart and take over with their own government? I would fight back.

But here is the kicker, I would NOT fault the troops of the occupying force for doing their job. Yes, I would hate them, and would fight back, as would they. But those are the REALITIES of war.

War sucks, and no one hates it more than those of us fighting it, but it's our job, and it's the reality.

You can (*)(*)(*)(*) and moan all you want and have your ideals. But there is the hippy wishful thinking, and then there is reality.

We have seen how the real world works, first hand, while you sit back and criticize a necessary evil and try and be an arm chair general.

As for a question you asked about being a bully. I was no such thing. Didn't like bullies and on a few occasions got into a friends face cause he thought it would be fun to bully a few kids at school. I also got my ass whooped in highschool for stopping the rape of a drunk girl at a party. Walked in on what was about to happen, so reared back and broke a few ribs with my foot. His buddies then pinned me down and worked me over pretty good. Looking back, I would do the exact same thing over and over. Would you? Have you ever stepped in for someone and put your own safety at risk while everyone just stood by and watched? Have you ever done the un-popular thing because you knew it was right?

 

Good luck with that one Robo'.

Once we stop thanking the trigger-pullers, we start down that slippery slope that ends with forcing them into facing the reality of their predicament, patriotic shills for the war industry pursuing misguided military adventures.

Much better we endure the nightly media human interest feature with the wide eyed kids and brave spouse back home.

Never mind, I just saw on the news that victory is just around the corner [and always will be].

 

In Iraq I spent more time helping local Iraqis and building relationships with them than I did trying to kill insurgents. I've probably spent more time interacting with and helping poor 3rd world people than most redcross/peace corps volunteers. Being a soldier today in Iraq or Afghanistan carries a great amount of responsibility. Carrying a loaded assault rifle in one hand while playing with a bunch of kids was probably the most humbling experience of my life. It's easy to sit behind a computer in your nice safe home and accuse us of being robotic murderers. You have no idea what life is like in a warzone. What it means to live and breath in an enviornment where death and violence is always lurking just out of sight. Where the decisions you make impact your life and the lives of other people around you. Disagree with the wars all you want. Don't try to personally judge millions of men and women who you know absolutely nothing about.

 

Great post, 1AmericansView.

Your remarks are very sincere, directly to the point and well crafted!

Too bad the liberal Democrats in Congress are so foolish and so misguided that they will never appreciate the sacrifices our young men and women in the Armed Forces have so unselfishly and sincerely made.



The liberal congressional Democrats do not like our military and they never will!