Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So

They COULD if directed to destroy the Federal Reserve.

This is a JOKE designed to point out that the federal reserve is doing everything to destroy our currency that our enemies would do... if they had the means and power.

 

See there are several things you are getting wrong.

The attacks on the U.S. are not only for things the U.S. did but had a lot to do with the fact that we have bases on "Sacred ground" meaning any where that Muslims have homes. and he was very much against the U.S. base in SA.

You also blame the U.S. government for everything including the acts but are forgetting the simple fact that the U.S. has freed two countries from tyrant governments.

You are also forgetting the fact that many of the citizens are thanking the U.S. government for the help that we have given.

You are also forgetting that most of the people we are fighting are not from Afghan or from Iraq, but from places like Iran.

You are also not pointing out that in Iraq, we have made it where women have the same rights as men. (does the left not think everybody is created equal)?

in Iraq we have citizens that are going to great measures and putting their life on the line because they want the rights and freedoms that the American soldiers have given them. such as the right to vote for their next representatives.

We had people going to the voting booths even with their lives being threatened. and they have these rights because of the U.S. Military. so instead of showing ignorance and trying to blame the U.S. government for everything

you should look at what good the U.S. government has done for people around the world.

But I guess you must thing its better for women and children to be rapped and tortured by Iraq soldiers on Saddam's command because their uncle, or dad, or some male family member spoke out against Saddam.

I also guess you think its better for men to be tortured and be forced to watch the female members of their family be rapped in front of them because they had the audacity to speak out against a dictator.

but seeing what the U.S. has done and how the people in Iraq and Afghan have thanked the U.S soldiers for their help takes some intelligence so it will be hard for many to understand that here on this thread.

 

There are many instances where detaining an unarmed afghani is necessary.

We had security set up in an area in the city. My gunner informs me of a fighting age male on his cell phone, 15 meters from the truck. I looked at him and he just had this look on his face...we all know the look, that "I just poked the pig" look. Then it dawns on me, that he is somehow on his phone that close to our trucks. As you know, we have measures that block cell phone traffic in the immediate vicinity. I take my terp, and go over to the kid. He immediately hangs up his phone and starts a "fast walk" away from us. He then runs and hides in a mosque that was right next to us. My terp goes in and brings him out, we question him, and take his phone for intel.

Turns out, he had numerous contacts in his phone that were known bomb makers and taliban, and his last call, was to a bomb maker.

Unfortunately, many people here will twist and turn that in every way possible to make us out to be bad people. We made a judgment call based on experience, and we turned out to be correct.

 

99% of the people who insult, and defame the U.S. military get their information from the T.V. and have never seen a day of action in their life.

many of them are to much of a coward to put their life on the line for something that is greater then they are.

I have seen things that I wouldn't wish on anybody. I've had buddies die in my arms.

but I know as well as a majority of the men and women in uniform know. that we are doing something for the bigger picture. not for what is right in front of us.

but ignorance flourishes in the uninformed. and the OP shows that very much. and many of his followers who have attacked the U.S. military just shows how much ignorance has grown because people listen to bias media instead of the truth coming from the sandbox.

You, and the people you served with know the truth. same with me and the people I served with. and Ignorance will never change what the truth really is.

 

You are very correct, 1AmericansView.

Especially when you say, "In Iraq we have citizens that are going to great measures and putting their lifes on the line because they want the rights and freedoms that the American soldiers have given them. such as the right to vote for their next representatives."

Thanks to America, atrocities such as these no longer happen in Iraq and Kurdistan and are instead confined to Islamic countries like Iran and Syria!



Iran: Two More Executions for Homosexual Conduct.

On Sunday, November 13, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan.

The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime of "lavat." Iran’s sharia law, a law-based penal code defines lavat as penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death penalty. Non-penetrative sexual acts between men are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are punished with death. Sexual acts between women, which are defined differently, are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are also punished with death.

Human Rights Watch called upon the Iranian government to decriminalize homosexuality and reminded Iran of its obligations under Toonen v. Australia (1994), the Human Rights Committee’s authoritative interpretation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is party. Toonen v. Australia extends recognition of the right to privacy and the right to freedom from discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation throughout human rights law.

 

It's ironic though, they preach out against it SO much, because it goes against islam, but yet is incredibly common.

 

Exactly, as I said in a previous post a few pages back, no one can take away what we've experienced, what we have GAINED, and what we have done. They are our stories, our experiences, and our pride.

Like you, I wouldn't wish for many of the experiences we went through on anyone, same goes for the ignorant posters on here who's only experience with combat is from the media, and video games. Even though it would put it in perspective for them, and maybe give them a little more outlook on why things happen the way they do, and why we do what we do. I signed up and volunteered, for myself, for my country, and so that those who didn't want to, didn't have to.

If everyone had the attitude of "well if I don't do it, someone else will", then this country wouldn't be what it is today. Unfortunately, that attitude seems to be gaining momentum.

Many here don't understand the tremendous sacrifice we make. I lost my wife because of my own issues I brought home with me, but at the same time, I wouldn't take back what I've done. The only thing I would change, is how I handled myself when I did come home. It's saying your goodbye's to your family, not knowing if you'll see them again, but it's also the families that love and support us, who make the ultimate sacrifice, so we can do our jobs.

Wouldn't wish it on anyone, war sucks.

 

"Many here don't understand the tremendous sacrifice we make. I lost my wife because of my own issues I brought home with me, but at the same time, I wouldn't take back what I've done. The only thing I would change, is how I handled myself when I did come home. It's saying your goodbye's to your family, not knowing if you'll see them again, but it's also the families that love and support us, who make the ultimate sacrifice, so we can do our jobs. "

 

Once again I find no fault with a soldiers reaction but will point out once again that an Afghani citizen has the right to attack any foreign military force of occupation. From a soldiers standpoint the actions were appropriate but that doesn't imply that the US forces have any business being in Afghanistan and our presence there must be blamed on the politicans.

Originally trained as 13E20 (fire direction control) and assigned to 1/92 Arty which was later changed to 13B20 FA Oper & Intel Asst when I was promoted in Vietnam. The job never changed but my MOS did.

I don't discuss my service much but here are a couple of links to places that I was at with stories related by others.

http://bravecannons.org/stories/B_Seeley_Vera.html
http://bravecannons.org/stories/B_LJ_memoriesVERA_1.htm
http://bravecannons.org/stories/HHB_CG_benhet_1.htm

No, I wasn't in a comfy safe basecamp somewhere but instead involved in numberous combat situations even receiving minor wounds from a mortar round at Ben Het. Not enough to get medivaced but enough to have the Special Forces medic remove sharpnel.

Like other soldiers I performed my duty in combat. It wasn't until I returned home that I found out the truth about Vietnam and why the US military should never have been sent there.

To add a little humor here is another good link but there is some minor profanity in it.

http://bravecannons.org/SBD.html

 

First, let me thank you for your service.

Two, you of all people should understand that when your there, in the thick of it all, you don't think about the politics of it all. Youre there, you can't change that. Now you adapt and overcome to stay alive, as that becomes priority. Of course, the extremists are going to fight back, that's a given. But don't ridicule us for stopping it mid-threat. What should he of done? Waited until he had the bomb in his hand, and then tackled him? By then it would of been too late and you have dead soldiers.

On separate note, have you read Six Silent Men? Great book.

 

Took me about 4 years to accept that we have no reason to be in Iraq and Afghanistan. I could see reason to attack both but staying and trying to change a culture is very expensive in lives and money; it's also not guaranteed to work. People will always resist those who they see as occupiers. I don't think one of us on this thread can say we wouldn't attack an occupying force in our own nation. We should have gone in, kicked ass, and got out if we really wanted to go to war (which after 9/11 I'm pretty sure we all did). In the end the Global War on Terror needs to be a war fought with intelligence (CIA, FBI), not with soldiers. We can't occupy every country terrorist operate from. They're a non nation entity, you can't beat them by conducting war against nations.

 

Once again I find no fault with a soldier carrying out their duty. I find tremendous fault with our Congress and our Presidents. In this regard I would proposed three fundamental things that must be done.

First and foremost is the repeal of the War Powers Act. It is unconstitutional as it allows a president without the Congress to initiate a war between the United States and another nation.

Next, no more "Authorizations for the use of military force" by our Congress. One thing that really pissed me off was during the Democratic primaries when Hillary Clinton stated (I paraphrase) "Well, yes I voted to allow the president to use force against Iraq but I never voted for us to go to war against Iraq." That was absolutel BS. It's time that the Congress assume its delegated role and before any US military action against any foreign nation there needs to be a formal declaration of war, period. Stop this wishy-washy BS Congressional authorization where it leaves the matter up to the president to decide if the US is going to war or not.

Finally, get the CIA out of paramilitary operations. These are acts of war by the United States against other nations.

(no, I haven't read the book)

 

Good points, and I can't say I disagree.

War should be fought like a war, without one hand tied around our nuts. No more half assed fighting.

PS-
It's a good book if your still into reading about stuff like that. It's about LRRP's introduction into Vietnam.

 

This is creed of every tyrant in history. Caligula could say, "I'm choosing live by my morals." Why bother do debate if you don't want to discuss what morals are right and wrong? Do right and wrong not concern you?

 

So Afghanistan excercised self-determination when the Taliban seized control of the country? Afghanistan is a no man's land run by corrupt warlords. A country where the average citizen is just a pawn caught in the crossfire. Don't pretend for an instant that your average Afghan citizen has had any say so in regards to self-determination.

 

Whatever the ostensible reason is, it's an illegal invasion that does not meet the standard of just war. Pursuing Bin Laden and the engineers of 9/11 might have been. But "nation building" is not, as Bush said, in one of the rare instances of him being right.

You can't force civilization on people. That's what every empire from Rome to Britain tried to do, and they found it inevitably leads to chaos, bloodshed, immorality, and atrocity.

Sure you do. You didn't have to sign up, did you? You weren't drafted, were you? And you could quit. There'd be repercussions, but that would be the moral act.

What if you were ordered to fire on American civilians peacefully protesting the federal government? Would you "do your job" then?

To my everlasting shame, I voted for Bush in 2004. Then I woke up and saw that empire is immoral and unworkable. In 2008, I did not for Obama or McCain, in part because they were both warmongers.

Sixty years of US interventionism in the Middle East has contributed to the chaos, poverty, and instability over there. If US militarism tended to bring peace and stability, the Middle East should be the most peaceful place in the world by now.

 

Then why are you arguing about it? If there is no right and wrong, there's nothing for you to argue about and you're wasting your time.

 

the trolls are the ones who refuse to face the FACTS that servicemen have been brainwashed by the establishment into thinking they serve our country when they REALLY serve the banks.

 

You've been brainwashed into thinking everythings a conspiracy. Very few soldiers think that they are directly defending U.S. citizens by fighting in Iraq/Afghanistan. There are much larger principals at play that I imagine you'd have a difficult time understanding.

 

The global economy isn't for the people of the USA, its for the global bankers who plan on making us 3rd worlders.

Protecting "Globalism" means destroying the USA, because globalism has always been about destroying the USA.

 

So your saying our soldiers are just mercs? There is no honor in being a paid killer.

 

when you look at the facts everything that goes on in government amongst most politicians IS a conspiracy. if they dont think that,then they should stop being afraid and arrest the criminals running the country,the rockefellers,rothchilds,kissinger,the bush administration,the Obama administration ect,ect. instead of blindly doing what they tell them to do and go out and kill innocent people.

 

they have been brainwashed into thinking they are serving our country by killing innocent people.these paid killers.