The War In Iraq Is Over!

A stitch in time saves nine.

 

Well, I am learning from the Americans. They consistently do it. In Vietnam, Iraq and eventually Afghanistan.

 

The lady doth protest too much.

 

The problem with the Vietnamese, Iraqis and Afghans is that they were not willing to voluntarily sell out their economic future and national security to a hegemon.

But there is one country which has shown itself more than willing to compromise the future of its people. It is located in North America north of the United States.

 

Beautiful dreamer!

 

Hey Cassius:

There is a tide in the affairs of men.
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.

Brutus

 

NAFTA now. North American Union later.

Canada is like an unchaste woman who drops her drawers at a glance.

 

Amen to that! Bring them all home.

 

Hillary warned Iran not to influence Iraq.

Well there's an invitation to do just that even more now that she said don't.

What a stupid mouth she has. She should be making better friends with Iraq by helping them be strong and independent, but she helps oil corporations contractors to keep stealing their oil and then talks like Iran is afraid of the US. Iran wants to nuke the US with Russia and China to back them up. Someone fire that dumdum.

 

Nothing to win. Attacking a tiny third world country is the loss. Leaving is the victory. W is the idiot who ordered our troops - he is the loser.

 

I do not buy this at all .. never did to be honest.

The claim was that Saddam was an "immanent threat". Even if he had a few chemical weapons (which we now know had been destoyed after the first war) he was still no immanent threat to the US.

Further, at the time we had control of Iraq air space. Saddam was completely contained and, while (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about it and not being completely forthright, was still allowing inspectors in.

There was no solid reason go in.. .which is why the allies did not sign up except Britian.

All the reasons that were given by Powell were shown to be, if not outright fabrications, based on intelligence that was known to be flawed.

Saddam and Bin Laden were blood enemies. Iraq was a secular state and the Wahabists (Bin Ladins religion and that of much of Saudi) want theocracy established throughout the middle east.

Sunni (Saddams bunch) were in power and hated Shia (Iran). After a Decade all that I see we did is put Shia in power. How is putting friends of Iran in power a good thing ?

I do not know what the real reason for the invasion was but I do know that it had nothing to do with the stated rational.

We set a bad precident by invading a soverign nation on the basis of trumped up charges. What are we now to say to the Soviet Union or China when they do the same ?

 

I feel that our reliatation for 9/11 is almost complete. As a veteren I am always happy to see our troops are coming home. Iraq II lasted way too long.

Rev A~

 

The war in Iraq is finally lost.

Soon Afghanistan will be the same.

 

You are correct in saying that Iraq 2 was for the most part a U.S.-British action. The Western Anglo Saxon team accused Iraq of more than using and storing WMD's. What actually happened was that Iraq made the rest of the western world angry was Iraq's failing to abide by the terms of the 1991 cease-fire (by refusing to cooperate with UN weapons inspections) and of supporting terrorism, along with the WMD claim. If China or Russia etc violates agreements etc we will take each event and attempt to do the right thing. As for peace busting out in Iraq etc, its time to break out the fine china and bubbly (paper plates and moonshine with mad dog 20/20 and thunderbird chasers)

 

Yep, as I said in another thread blind. You might try reading the papers and tuning into the news media before stating such falsehoods and propganda. By what criteria do you justify such an asinine statement? In all categories the war was another victory for the west. US or British forces could mosey into any berg or city in Iran and set up shop. So all Iraq while not completely pacified (in a 1918 style) it is conquered, the war was won some time ago. If all out war and conquering a people were the original agenda that could have been accomplished more easily via different military strategies, i.e. less dependence on surgical strikes and other methods of limited war and more emphasis on total war like Sherman used in the USA’s civil war.

So your statement makes no sense, is more like the wishful thinking of a terrorist hugger.

The USA's armed forces is visiting death and destruction on the terrorists and those that support terror in Afghanistan to right a wrong. Thank God and our brave soliders it's been successful sortie as well!

Rev A

 

You don't realize the implications of that do you?

 

Yes, yes. It is not fashionable in US military circles to comtemplate retreats and defeats that are not heroic.

I understand that.

But it is also true that you have accomplished nothing in either place.

However heroic you think you have been.

 

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/round-rock-soldier-killed-in-afghanistan-1932063.html

Another one bites the dust!

 

The goal was the removal of the Taliban and saddam. Done deal. Secondary goal was replacing them with democratically elected governments. Done deal.

 

Incorrect. The goal was to have trillion dollar wars for the defence industry.

Nothing else was important.

 

If that were true, we certainly attained that goal.

 

Not you. US wars are NEVER about the US people.

You are the mugs who give the money.

 

I invested heavily in the defense industry after 9/11.

 

The stated rational for the war in Iraq was not "The removal of Saddam".
There are plenty of "Saddam's" out there.

Democracy is just a catchphrase that has rarely had anything to do with support for or against orther nation states.

In many cases we have supported totalitarian dictators. In other instances we have fought to unseat democratically elected leaders.

 

The effect was noted by the military-industrial complex.