The War In Iraq Is Over!

Actually it was. At every turn for 9 years now. From the very beginning-

Your little diatribes wont magically change that fact.

 

I took a couple of snippits from the speech to the UN. Did you actually read the speech ?

Does the US care about folks living in brutal submission ? Heck we are the ones supporting the brutes much of the time and the world knows this (Suharto, Duarte, Pinochet are just a few)

Suharto invaded the Island nation of East Timor and killed over 1/3 of the inhabitants over 25 years. Suharto's military was supported the entire time by the the US. The UN condemned this action.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB174/index.htm

It was no secret to the rest of the world and neither were the other examples. Do you really think they took Bush seriously ?

Saddam was our friend when he gassed his own people and we did not mind one bit when he gased Iranians and fired missles at them. We had military advisors advising Saddam at the time.

Reagan even increased funding to Iraq after stating publically that he did not condone Iraq's gassing of people.

In a September 26, 2002, article entitled “Following Iraq's Bioweapons Trail,” columnist Robert Novak wrote,

This is no secret .. everyone sitting in the assembly knew this history.

In a September 18, 2002, ABC article entitled “A Tortured Relationship,” reporter Chris Bury wrote,

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

In an August 18, 2002, New York Times article entitled “Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas,” Patrick E. Tyler wrote,

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

 

You are really killing in this thread!

Yes I will try the veal, thank you very much.

 

I have more diatribes .. amazing how much stuff there is out there on this.

Of course Saddam "had" WMD. We gave them to him !

This does not change the fact that it had been verified that Saddam had destroyed most of these weapons.

Perhaps there were a few left ... but there was no "Imminent Threat"

There were inspectors in the country that were being given "proactive" cooperation. We were in control of Iraqi airspace and had spyplanes regularely flying over .. but .. somehow

Saddam was an "Imminent Threat"

This was utter BS is what it was as was the rest of Bush's speech to the UN.

 

You're still broke. The rest is just a matter of degree.

 

Fantastic! Point me at that unchaste woman! You can keep your prim, iron-drawered, titless, republican spinster

 

NATO, like every other invading force over thousands of years of Afghan history, will be thrown out on it's failed arse, and Afghanistan will revert to its preferred, tribal, status quo. The idiotic and terminally corrupt Karzai 'democratic government' will fall. Guaranteed.

 

Sectarian wars all over the Middle East.

Done deal.

 

Quote:
Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe--because in the long run, stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty. As long as the Middle East remains a place where freedom does not flourish, it will remain a place of stagnation, resentment, and violence ready for export. And with the spread of weapons that can bring catastrophic harm to our country and to our friends, it would be reckless to accept the status quo.
Therefore, the United States has adopted a new policy, a forward strategy of freedom in the Middle East. This strategy requires the same persistence and energy and idealism we have shown before. And it will yield the same results. As in Europe, as in Asia, as in every region of the world, the advance of freedom leads to peace.
Bush speech November 6, 2003 At The 20th Anniversary Of The National Endowment For Democracy



Quote:
For too long, many nations, including my own, tolerated, even excused, oppression in the Middle East in the name of stability. Oppression became common, but stability never arrived. We must take a different approach. We must help the reformers of the Middle East as they work for freedom, and strive to build a community of peaceful, democratic nations.
Bush Speech to UN General Assembly, September 21, 2004



Quote:
NEW YORK Reformers in the Middle East are caught in a tight bind. On principle, they oppose the highhandedness of U.S. policy in the region. But they have to admit it's had some positive effects.

Not only has President Bush gotten rid of Saddam Hussein, the region's most brutal dictator, but his relentless promotion of democracy in the Middle East has also turned up the heat on other regional autocrats and jump-started the reform debate. These days, no Arab government can afford to simply quash increasingly persistent and widespread demands for reform.

...the Egyptian head of state has made an annual pilgrimage to White House, where he has been greeted warmly. But this year, Bush wanted to talk about more than the nearly $2 billion in aid the U.S. provides Egypt. He warned Mubarak that Egypt's ability to deliver on promises of reform was a national security concern of the U.S.
http://www.commongroundnews.org/arti...89&lan=en&sp=0



Quote:
These elections are inspiring democratic reformers in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Our strategy to defend ourselves and spread freedom is working. The rise of freedom in this vital region will eliminate the conditions that feed radicalism and ideologies of murder and make our nation safer.
Bush speech June 28, 2005, Ft. Bragg, NC



Quote:
We realized that years of pursuing stability to promote peace have left us with neither. Instead, the lack of freedom in the Middle East made the region an incubator for terrorist movements. The status quo in the Middle East before September the 11th was dangerous and unacceptable, so we're pursuing a new strategy.
So America's committed its influence in the world to advancing freedom, and democracy is a great alternative to repression and radicalism. We will take the side of democratic leaders and reformers across the Middle East. We will support the voices of tolerance and moderation in the Muslim world.
Bush's speech August 31, 2006 to the 88th Annual American Legion National Convention

Quote:
And my hope is that the Egyptian government will build on these important steps, and give the people of this proud nation a greater voice in your future. I think it will lead to peace, and I think it will lead to justice.
Bush remarks, Jan 16, 2008 Egypt

 

Yes.. so did all of the working american mugs.

The US is based upon a culture of fear and hatred.

The Defence industry run the US. They control the media and the politicians.

They feed you constant lies and propaganda about how they need to defend you from EVIL enemies who want to take your freedom.

Constant fear and hatred in a culture of concerted ignorance.

Its a great con.

 

Not as long as Obama is president and that stupid Napolitano is in charge of Homeland Security.

 

And .. am I supposed to be suprised that not one of your quotes addressed the my comments.

You have given no basis for your claim that there was a legitimate reason for Iraq given by Bush.

Further you have not responded to the clear evidence I have presented that "platitudes" spouted by Bush and others about trying to promote freedom and democracy are meaningless and hypocritical words.

 

No they presented a favorable investment opportunity.

 

Offered to contrast between the old policies you highlighted, and the new policies under Bush. Old policies aknowledged by Bush to be in error.

 

The error was the lies by Bush.

Not sure if you went to any of those links but that was Rumsfeld in those pics cozying up to Saddam.

The Bush doctrine of "pre-emptive force based on a perceived threat" is not something to be proud of.

This was the incarnation of Wolfritz who concocted this during the reign of Bush Sr.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/faith/american.html

In the memos it was stated that some kind of major event was needed to strike enough fear into the hearts of citizens for this doctrine to be accepted.

911 was a perfect event to bring this doctrine forth.

 

Condoms. Don't leave home without them.

 

It is utterly amazing that some Americans still do not realise that 9-11 was an inside job.

Has there ever been a more obvious false flag in world history?

First year of the neocon reign.. and they get their Pearl harbour.

What are the chances of that?

There is ZERO evidence that bin laden was involved in 9-11. There is overwhelming evidence that Cheney and the gang were involved.

 

This post belongs in the conspiracy theory section. This section is for normal people.

 

Rumsfeld also served under previous presidents. That was before Bush's new policies.

Only a complete fool coudnt see thats not what the quotes were referring to.

 

Seems a quite common belief among Europeans, Muslims and left wing Americans.

 

What do you mean? Do not tell me that you believe the fairy story about Bin Laden?

9-11 was an inside job lad. The evidence is overwhelming. There is NO evidence linking Bin laden to 9-11. So who is the conspiracy nut?

I bet that you believe the recent bin laden killing story? HAHA.. you do, don't you? I rest my case me lord.

 

Very true.. and also people who prefer to base their opinions on facts and not controlled media fairy stories.

 

Saddam has been ousted and executed, the insurgency has been defeated, and a democratically elected government has replaced the secret police state of the genocidal Baathist regime, we won get over it.

 

Lets see it. You claim
"9-11 was an inside job lad. The evidence is overwhelming"
Why dont you select the one piece of evidence you think best supports your views.

 

Your quotes were a pack of "platitudes" all leaders say lofty things like that when addressing the UN.

Unfortunately, Bush's stated rational .. WMD and so forth, was a pack of disinformation.

The policy of "pre emptive force on the basis of a percieved threat" was a Bush Policy regardless of what foolish things he said to the UN.