‘Where’s my wife?’ Electronic SMS tracker notifies Saudi husbands

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/22/251255.html

Why don't the Saudis just microchip all the women like they do the dogs and have a scanner on every window and door to alert the men when they leave the home and they can follow her movements on screen.......

They could do it to every female child born in the hospital or for the ones born outside the hospitals they could say they will only issue birth certificates and registration once the child has been bar coded......................

 

Well obviously ... So I have a question...

What would Wahabists do with Oasis showing up in the middle of the undelineated parts of the sands?

 

what do you mean?

 

What's the essential difference between that and your attitude to women being under the control of their (nice)families? Remember that was your argument when it came to the revolutionary women protestors camping out in Tahrir Square who got sexually abused by your beloved army.

 

as usual. Saudis provide the funniest and most crazy news, "Saudis just microchip all the women like they do the dogs" i m sure, they do it already

 

So Abu is your wife able to travel freely or does she have to have your permission just like a Saudi women? There was talk of change at one time allowing Egyptian women to travel freely, did it ever come to anything? First step was allowing them to apply for a passport without permission right?

 

you are both have a point, fact is that in the gender equity issues Egypt us 100 years ahead Saudi Arabia

 

Yeah, Abu, spoke about this, on another thread.

It seems even some Saudi men think it is laughable!

Saudi women have one of the highest rates of suicide, in the World.

Sucide is always symptomatic of a deep lying cause, that usually being either depression, or a state of being hopeless.

While everyone pretends to get in a lather over the imaginary rights, of imaginary gays, in Iran, it seems, esp Americans, that they don't care to mention the small fact that women have many more rights and freedoms, in Iran, than in S Arabia.

 

I find this daft attitude towards women more than a bit stupid.
I ask my wife to tell me where she's going when he goes out but I also tell her where I'm going.
That much just seems polite and handy in the event of a problem or when making plans for food and so on.

The idea of banning my wife from going out or getting text messages regarding her movements sound terrible.

 

You know it's bad when Saudi Arabian ordinary news can actually make you think you're reading an onion piece.

 

Really? and how much time have you spent in Saudi Arabia?

 

He doesn't NEED to, to be able to research facts that cannot be denied though, Margot.

You do admit that, right?

 

No.. I find that younger Saudis.. men and women under 45 are not so strict as they once were..

Where did you get your 'suicide' data?

 

Saudi Arabia: Women choosing suicide over social pressures

Source:
Reuters

Segregated from men, banned from driving and facing restrictions on travel, work, and even study, many Saudi women attempt suicide to escape one of the world's strictest societies.

Saudi Arabia, a conservative Islamic state where clerics demand the seclusion of females, often has an unforgiving attitude to women who find themselves victim to male violence.

A 19-year-old woman who was abducted and gang-raped by seven men was recently sentenced to 200 lashes in a case that drew international criticism and tarnished the image of Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, around the world.
King Abdullah this week issued a pardon for the woman, in what appeared to be a sharp rebuke to clerics of Saudi Arabia's hardline Wahhabi Islam who dominate the judiciary.

But the pressure of their closeted lifestyle in Saudi society forces women to live in a world of their own, often making the anxieties of adolescence or ordinary family problems harder to bear. "I was desperate back then because of family problems. My mother got divorced and I had to stay with her while my two older brothers stayed with my father," said Maha Hamad, a 23-year-old student who attempted suicide two years ago.

"I faced too much pressure from my mother in everything I do in my daily life. It was impossible for me to run my life without her dictating to me what to do and what not to do."

Suicide is strongly proscribed in Islamic law, and hospitals often register suicides as "misuse of medicine" thus allowing cases to slip through the statistical net.

Social Pressures

A rare 2006 study of suicide survivors carried out by Salwa al-Khatib, a researcher at King Saud University, found that 96 cases involved women compared to four cases involving men.

She said the hospital where she works as a counsellor receives on average 11 suicide attempts by women each month.

"Women go through severe depression due to social pressure," Khatib said. "The differentiation between males and females inside families contributes to growing pressure ... Men who are raised to be superior mostly look down on women. They develop abusive behaviour to express power over them."

Using light doses of medicine during daytime hours, many suicide attempts by women are clearly cries for help rather than serious attempts to end their lives, Khatib said. "Many teenage girls in Saudi Arabia suffer from lack of communication with their parents. No one listens to their emotional, social or even educational problems," Khatib said.

Forced marriage is a common factor behind the depression young women suffer, researchers say. Usually only women from affluent upper-class families manage to marry partners of their own choosing in Saudi Arabia.

Layla, a former administrator at Kingdom Hospital in Riyadh, recounted one case of a 20-year-old woman who tried to take her life because her parents forced her to marry a man in his 70s. "She tried slitting her wrists just after a few months of the marriage. Forced marriage is one of the most serious problems girls face," she said.

"Sometimes families do not want to force their daughters into such thing, but interference from the extended family and relatives puts pressure on them, especially if they live in areas outside the main cities," she said.

http://www.wluml.org/node/4344

 

Those numbers appear to be like numbers in the US..

I think you can learn more about Saudi women by sitting and talking with them.

 

Rise in suicide cases remain an unexplained phenomenon in KSA

Although there have not been any recent statistics on suicide rates in Saudi Arabia, a number of cases have been reported by the local media creating concern in society about why people are taking their own lives.

The last time reports on suicide were released was in 2009 when the Ministry of the Interior stated that there were 596 cases in the Kingdom between 2009 and 2008. Within a month, more than three suicide reports appeared in local media describing it as a phenomenon.

Recently, a YouTube video of a young man hanging himself from a bridge in Riyadh was circulated on social media sites. The video created controversy about the reasons why the man killed himself and what sort of message he wanted to convey to the public.

In another report published in Al-Watan newspaper on Sunday, a girl committed suicide in Najran by hanging herself. The Najran police official spokesman Lt. Abdullah Mohammed Al-Ashawi, said they received a report about a young girl in critical condition at the local hospital but she could not be saved. The reason she committed suicide was not revealed.

A 40-year-old teacher also committed suicide last Friday in the Southern region. One of his wives found him dead in the morning after he shot himself with his gun. According to reports, he was a teacher and a preacher in a village mosque. Reports also claim the reason behind his suicide was that he was in debt and that he had two wives and ten children, which caused depression.

Dr. Mona Al-Sawwaf, consultant psychiatrist and the head of department at King Fahd General Hospital (KFGH) in Jeddah, explained why suicide rates have been rising in the last few years locally and internationally especially among children and younger age groups. “Psychiatric disorders and mental illness as well as alcohol related diseases are considered to be the three major causes leading to suicide. However, in recent years there have been other causes of suicide especially among younger age groups, younger men and children,” she said.

Al-Sawwaf also said that many non-mental health professionals are linking suicide causes to weak morals, poor religious beliefs or even being influenced by Satan. “These ideas reflect the cultural background of our society and not the real causes behind suicide,” she explained.
Suicide causes in Saudi Arabia are usually related to mental and psychological illness, financial pressure and low religious morals.

According to Al-Sawwaf, international health organizations like the World Health Organization (WHO), the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and others have delivered a clear warning about the increasing rate of suicide and have urged authorities as well as health professionals to study the reasons behind it. “Those world organizations also urged specialists to look at the effect of social and financial pressures with the current world economic crisis,” she added.

Al-Sawwaf believes that there is an urgent need to develop a multidisciplinary research team including mental health specialists, education professionals, media specialists and primary health care specialists.

“We need to train primary health physicians and family doctors to detect early warning signs of potential suicidal risk in patients with high risk factors,” she said.

On the other hand, Ali Badahdah, a faculty member of Islamic studies at King Abdulaziz University, said that suicide is forbidden in Islam, as God values the human soul. “Harming oneself is a crime against humanity,” he said.

“If we look into the issue of suicide, there is a difference between the explanation and analysis of the phenomenon. Whatever the circumstances, it does not justify suicide, but there are occurrences which could lead to suicide,” he explained.

Badahdah also believes that there are three main reasons for suicide. “If proper Islamic education and faith is not rooted in childhood, it will eventually cause weak belief in faith and destiny. Also, with all the openness and globalization nowadays, faith can be shaken easily,” he said.

He also explained how social bonds are very important within the family, society and the community. “If someone is under psychological stress, they should talk to a father, mother, or friend or go to the mosque,” Badahdah added.
“Our society is starting to suffer from social disintegration and young people do not talk to their families, perhaps because of the difference of generations,” he said.

In many reports, suicides are also linked to financial problems such as debts or not being able to find a job. Badahdah explained how the economic factor could be a major reason behind suicide. “When a young man is jobless or not able to collect enough money to start a family, it will eventually lead to depression,” he added.

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=20120403120949

 

Okay, get a Saudi born women living there, to post on here, and I will.

 

Not sure about the hundred years but both Egypt and Saudi are both near the bottom of the UN Gender Inequality Index. In this particular area of freedom of travel its pretty crazy for an Egyptian to be critical of the Saudis while Egypt is much the same. Not only that but while Saudi is slowly moving in the right direction it looks like Egypt is moving in the wrong one. Women aren't hunted prey in Saudi are they?

 

Jack.. look at the suicide attempts, cries for help, suicide hotline activity, drug overdoses in the US... acidental prescription drug deaths...

To focus on Saudi women or on the number of Saudi men who are having their wives electronically "tracked" also seems a bit stupid to me.. I think its dishonest.

There are forums where you can talk with Saudi women.. I have been fortunate to talk with them in person over meals.. in wide ranging discussions.

 

i have spent 2 weeks in both countries. and how much time have you spent in Nazi Germany ?

can your Saudi women dance in front of strangers? [video=youtube;eb_8xFbla3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb_8xFbla3g[/video]

 

Saudi women are surprising.. They care about their kids smoking pot or being lazy... historic preservation... continuing education for women, children's charities, cosmetics, fashion, home decorating.... They laugh and joke about their husbands.. Fairly normal.

Overall.. They get "modernity" as meaning Westernization.... and at the same time they don't want to be pseudo-Americans if that makes sense.

 

2 weeks in Arabia?? Ask Americans wh have lived there 20-30 years.. It takes 5 years to know anything at all about Saudi Arabia even if you are open and friendly.

 

you mast be joking, its just imitation of reforms. women in SA have a statues domestic animals. i was in Egypt 4 weeks ago and i have not seen wahhabic signs

 

Not saying that is the reason. At the same time, on a thread about S Arabia, it does not pay to ignore that which is important.

I have never seen a true Saudi women ever post on an internet forum.

I have never seen an Israeli Arab post on an internet forum.

I have also never seen any single Israeli answer my question as to whether or not they see themselves as Israeli and Middle Easterners.

For some reason.

 

as a Saudi man and women hater you have 0 credibility on this subject,