‘A Year’s Worth of Suicide Attempts in the Last Four Weeks’: California Doctor Calls for End to Lock

Liquid Bullshit!

 

For me the lock down is pretty much life as usual because I had a crippling stroke 13 years ago. I used to tell people if you are going to have a stoke do yourself a favor and die. I lost many things that meant something to me like my radio show, golf, playing music and walking. The lock down in comparison to that the lock down looks like a piece of cake. Watching MSNBC 24/7 helps to keep me sane. If I had to watch Fox I probably would have killed myself by now.

 

Sorry to hear that But I believe you touched on your own answer/limit.. I mean if that's all it gonna take after all you have had to adjust to well, think what healthy, mobile people must be experiencing having to be limited as if they had a stroke or crippling event ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

Actually, you're not far off. Earlier versions of chemotherapy couldn't target the cancer cell, so it targeted absolutely EVERYTHING. Just like...wait for it...our covid-19 response.

 

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because he had a 69 page plan developed by the NSC that detailed the exact responses need to combat just this sort of viral epidemic?

You know, the one that Trump tossed into the trash?

I dare you to read this document and come back and tell me that Obama didn't have a plan.

And while you are at it, please be sure to post Trump's NSC written playbook that replaced Obama's.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/pandemic-influenza-implementation.pdf

 

Not their fault that they never were looking for one. When they opened that drawer, post election, they were searching for dirt.

 

Did that plan include misinformation from all the world watchdog and our blind, Johnny on the spot CDC crew.. I think you avoid the obvious Sir

 

True, if WHO(or any intl organization) can be led by their noses by the Chinese, it made the info unreliable and unuseable, whereas the playbook didn't presume such contingencies.

Also, I noted the playbook also called for the shutdowns, etc, everything that's happened. So what is Trump NOT doing?

 

Well what he is not doing is going away and the poor leftist are seriously distraught and very unsure about their chances of their President DJT being THEIR President for another four years

 

Democrats are the ones who want to keep everyone locked down and miserable, not Trump.

 

Ignoring the concerns of seniors... like Cuomo did when he forced nursing homes to accept COVID patients?

Cuomo is the biggest grandma killer in the country. I'd take Trump's indifference over Cuomo's deadly concern any day.

 

They are "over-reacting" because it is a novel, contagious, and lethal virus.

 

When I meant "overreacting", I meant committing suicide because they are so emotionally distressed.
You have to admit that isn't really rational.

 

I see.

Well, to be fair, people are suicidal in the best of times. You add on the stress and social isolation that comes from a novel, contagious, lethal virus for which the best treatment early on is social isolation? And then you add economic hardship on top?

It just makes sense that suicides might spike to some extent, but it will take years for that data to really get out there and analyzed to know for sure.

 

Not to make light of someone taking their own life but pragmatically speaking there's a question of do we risk scores of millions who want to live to save a few who maybe don't.

 

Its likely a combination of multiple causes. Some are triggered by the isolation anxiety and loneliness. Some are feeling separated from their counselors / support system or are running out of medication and access to doctors. Some have lost jobs, financial security, businesses and any feeling of worth secondary to employment etc from shut down. Some are taking drugs or alcohol to self medicate symptoms that may never have been diagnosed and getting chemically induced and acute depression. And some may be people in the grips of this very virus, despondent, in pain and suffering and wanting it to end.

 

That's not nessisarily the question this asks. Have we been negligent in assessing this danger, have we been doing enough to keep these people falling through the cracks, from feeling as isolated as anxious, and staying engaged in the ways we have? Can we send more letters? Make more efforts to connect with those who are sitting alone in their homes? Can we call more often? Can we make sure we create virtual opportunities for visits, drive by their window and sing. Are we showing we care, in less convenient ways but more creative ones that still may matter enough to keep them hanging on, hanging tough?

 

But the reality is, the additional number of those who will commit suicide is greater than the number who will actually die from disease, probably several times higher.

Many of those who will die from the disease are older and don't have much time left anyway, or would not have a good quality of life, since many of them already have underlying health issues rendering them more susceptible to dying.

 

I've documented that this was happening across the nation so...yea....you're making lame excuses

 

Why don't you read it yourself and find out?

I posted a link to it for a reason.

I don't think you have the attention span to do it.

Prove me wrong.

 

Come show me that reality when/if it happens. Meanwhile I'm watching the US COVID death count and we're breaking 100k any minute now.

 

I think the general answer to all those questions is 'yes' with or without the COVID crisis.

 

I know it didn't Taiwan's report and text to the WHO and chiners told me NO IT DIDNT

 

Uh...yea, that is definitely not the reality and is almost very, very much the opposite of the reality. Are you truly going to claim that an additional 100k+ are going to commit suicide?

There are at least two studies that attempted to evaluate the likelihood of survival for the average victim. Almost all them would have survived for longer, but for covid.

But the average loss of life was calculated at 11-13 years in one study.

 

Put those trolls aside from conspiracy theories, means these jerks who claim it is all a conspiracy by Bill Gates and other nonsense ... or these other jerks who are upset about the limitation of civil rights, which is nonsense as well.

People just don't seem to understand what the lockdown is about ... or they don't want to understand because they're stubborn and unteachable.
Every health system in every country on this planet has a maximum exposure limit ... one country has a higher one, the other one a lower one. The reasons for this are varied and do nothing to the point, because the only important thing is that there is this limit.
This means that the number of beds in hospitals ... and especially beds in intensive care units, is only available to a limited extent or can only be expanded to a limited extent. Likewise, the entire medical staff is only available in limited numbers and, above all, only has limited resilience when it comes to their job ... or who can work for how long without a break or sleep?
COVID-19 is a disease in which you can only get sick like a mild cold, up to a place on the ICU, because you need artificial ventilation, etc.
There are risk groups who are more likely to be seriously or fatally ill, for example the elderly and those with various previous illnesses.

The lockdown thus serves to relieve the health system by reducing the number of new infected and seriously ill people. And who still doesn't get it now or doesn't want to get it ...
If there are masses of seriously ill people who occupy the ICU places, then it will be tight for other infected people who also need an ICU place to survive.
And even more ... if these ICU beds and places are full of infected people, what about the other, normal people who need such a place ... for example due to an infectious injury or severe injuries after an accident?
Do you really want the medical staff to start playing God and decide who gets an ICU place and who doesn't and then presumably dies?

Whoever gives a shrug of the shoulders will definitely not do that anymore if this person is sentenced to death by the doctors ... or his parents, grandparents or sick / infected family members.
And if you still don't get it and come with civil rights, conspiracy theories and the economic damage, I wish that you get really seriously infected! Maybe the brain will tick more sensibly if it affects you yourself.

And as far as the economic consequences with the well over 30 million new unemployed and the many (possible and actual) bankruptcies are concerned ... umm ... strange that many other countries are doing much better. As an American, I would perhaps take a critical look at the entire system in the United States ... including the health system ... because something is going much worse for you than for many others in the world!