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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    New York's population density is 420 people per square mile.

    Florida's population density is 378 people per square mile.

    So New York's population density is 1.1 times higher than Florida's [1].

    Yet New York's COVID death rate was 11 times higher.

    Clearly, your hypothesis that population density can explain the massive discrepancy is not even remotely sustainable.

    Cuomo's deadly policy of forcing nursing homes to accept COVID patients is clearly the better explanation. But I understand why a Democratic partisan such as yourself would try to argue otherwise.

    [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...es_of_the_United_States_by_population_density
     
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    What percentage of New York's COVID deaths took place in the New York City Metro area?

    I am never going to claim that population density alone explains the discrepancy, but it is extremely obvious that the population density of New York City's metro area is a very significant contributing factor given that it accounts for 2/3rds of the deaths in New York State and it accounts for nearly 50% of the most densely populated incorporated areas of the country.

    If you think that Cuomo following the federal guidelines of placing recovering patients in nursing homes when hospitals are threatened to be overwhelmed, then it is on you to present any such evidence beyond saying that it is "clearly" the better explanation.
     
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    What percentage of Florida's COVID deaths took place in the Miami metro area?

    If population density were "very significant", then we would expect to see similar death rates between Florida and New York since they have very similar population densities.

    It's actually quite remarkable how similar New York and Florida are in terms of their overall population and population density. It's almost serendipitous in a way, since it leaves you virtually zero wiggle room when comparing outcomes between the two States.

    I already did present the evidence. Namely, the huge difference in death rates between Florida and New York.

    Florida's governor did not send COVID-infected patients to nursing homes while Cuomo did.

    Do you need me to explain why that would cause a difference in death rates because it seems fairly obvious.
     
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    Yes, you need to present evidence that such is the best method for explaining the discrepancy. Florida never faced a situation where the hospitals were being overwhelmed, New York did and thus they placed recovering Covid patients in those nursing homes - as per recommended by the Federal Government. If you presented evidence that the nursing homes which held recovering patients saw some sort of spike of Covid patients, that would act as much stronger evidence than "look at the total State numbers."

    Miami makes up less than 25% of the deaths in Florida and that proportionate to the fact that Miami only takes up 7 of the top 130 most densely populated incorporated areas in the country. Again, New York City (which had more deaths than any single STATE except New York) made up approximately 60 of the top 130 most densely populated incorporated areas in the country.

    It makes absolutely no sense to me that you can look at those data points and pretend that population density does not partially explain the discrepancy, and that your only counter data point is "One State did One Policy Difference" (while ignoring that the Two States had a multitude of different policy differences) and "One State had 11x more deaths".
     

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