‘Just to survive’: Wagner fighters recount the horrors of battle in eastern Ukraine

What do you do with trillions of dollars worth of fighting vehicles and no gas? Or missile launchers and no missiles? Percentage of overall spending is an extremely ignorant metric by which to measure our military readiness... I suspect intentionally so.

If a huge military budget could offset a lack of fuel and ammo, we'd all be heiling der Fuhrer right now.

 

Have you donated to Ukraine?

 

I suppose that would make the other poster ignorant, but talking about percentages it not idiotic at all. Maybe its also ignorant to assume we are suddenly out of gas and missiles.

 

How? Unless we sign a treaty and have it ratified by our Senate it is in no way binding upon this country at all.

 

There is LAW... then there HONOR.

 

And here we have it. The once discredited Domino Theory. The same theory responsible for the Vietnam war fiasco. Recycled by you to support a President that dodged the draft during the Vietnam war. See any irony with that. Probably not, since you don;t see any irony of protecting someone elses border when we do not protect our own.

 

"Honor" is in no way binding upon this country as you well know

 

A country without honor is despicable... at best.

 

Russia is currently losing 824 men per day.

As for the Wager troops, - anyone who hesitates is shot on the spot.

To compare, US worst daily loss was 246 (Tet Offensive) in Vietnam. That was one day while Russia is losing 824 every day.

Death rate of Russian soldiers is at its highest since first week of Ukraine war with 824 dying every day in February, Ukrainian data reveals

• Daily average number of Russian soldiers dying in Ukraine is at 824, data shows

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ussian-soldiers-highest-week-Ukraine-war.html
Ukrainian data shows that an average of 824 Russian soldiers have died every day in February.

The figures were highlighted by the UK's Ministry of Defence and are 'likely accurate', although they cannot be officially verified.

 

So I’m going to call them mercenaries.

 

Good point, but it is funny with all this war talk, no is discussing wonders “What happens if we lose”. They are just keeping their fingers crossed hoping that losing is better than destroying everyone.

 

I wasn't referring to ...oil reserves(another matter)....I was talking about US/NATO hardware.

 

"Small to no chance"?

"We don't usually"?

OK....fair enough....you're giving yourself some ...elbow room....just in case.

Moldova according to leaked docs was on the hit list.

And Dwarfstan considers Baltics more Russian...than Baltic.

They're the smallest...with a large ethnic Russian minority. One can do the math.

 

What president are you talking about?

If Trump....I was never a fan of his....even though I'm a Republican(not a hard supporter).

 

Like Afghanistan and North Vietnam?

 

The current draft dodger President who is sending all the free stuff to Ukraine which of course is Biden.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine/index.html

"Defense officials say the crunch is not affecting US readiness, as the weapons sent to Ukraine don’t come out of what the US keeps for its own contingencies."

"Multiple officials underscored that the US would never put at risk its own readiness, and every shipment is measured against its impact on US strategic reserves and war plans. Both Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley monitor levels of US stockpiles closely, officials said."

You can stop with your hysteria now.

In the meantime, America needs to get it's war machine manufacturing back online. Same with Europe. Peace time is done. Putin ****ed it up for everyone.

 

Biden is trying his best to escalate to a world war!

Everything could have been prevented before Russia invaded. Instead, we have a war mongering president dead set on starting a war with Russia after sending in Tanks “The idea that we're going to send in tanks to Ukraine, that's called World War III,” then authorizing the sabotage of the Pipeline. Everything Biden has done has been to escalate the war instead of reducing conflict and coming to resolutions. It is hard for me to fathom peaceful loving democrats whom I once respected actually advocating more violence and warfare.

 

Some would say that invading with the intent to conquer is actually an act of war...

 

Where are you getting such absurd ideas? From tRump toots?

We did not sabotage the pipeline. It's Russian lies and fiction from a washed-up journalist who long ago turned to sucking Commie dick.

Nor did Biden say that sending tanks is World War III. He said:

“But, look, the idea – the idea that we’re going to send in offensive equipment and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews, just understand – and don’t kid yourself, no matter what you all say – that’s called ‘World War III.’ OK? Let’s get it straight here, guys. That old expression – ‘Don’t kid a kidder.’”​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/02/politics/fact-check-biden-world-war-iii/index.html

 

I was talking about Biden's squandering of our National Oil Reserves.

 

We have never, and hopefully never will, get into a war without being attacked first.

 

Yup. Biden left Afghan out to dry so the Taliban runs them. The PEOPLE are watching their daughters be denied the right to attend school or wear something other than draperies.
North Vietnam was never conquered. China tried but lost. The US never invaded the North.

 

Don't you think that it contradictory that you insist we needed to have boots on the ground in Afghanistan for 20+ years and spend $2 trillion + 2,456 KIA + 20 000 wounded, and now you use every argument to oppose aid (no boots) to Ukraine which is costing a fraction compared to out occupation in Afghanistan.

 

‘Like turkeys at a shooting range’: Mauling of Russian forces in Donetsk hotspot may signal problems to come
By Tim Lister, CNN
Published 9:09 AM EST, Mon February 13, 2023

Kyiv, Ukraine CNN —
The scenes are chaotic: Russian tanks veering wildly before exploding or driving straight into minefields, men running in every direction, some on fire, the bodies of soldiers caught in tank tracks.

Russian military bloggers are calling it a fiasco, and worse.

These scenes have been recorded by Ukrainian military drones over the past two weeks around the town of Vuhledar in Donetsk, eastern Ukraine, where successive Russian assaults have failed.

The Vuhledar debacle suggests chronic failures in the command and tactics of the Russians as they gear up for a spring offensive. If replicated elsewhere on the long military front in Donetsk and Luhansk, such failings could jeopardize the Kremlin’s plans to seize more territory.

... https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/13/europe/russia-ukraine-vuhledar-donetsk-fiasco-intl/index.html​

This is what happened when poorly trained, unprepared conscripts are forced into a fight with no option to retreat. I hope they de-Putinize Russia very soon.