‘My future is taken away from me’: Russians flee to escape consequences of Moscow’s war

Well I agree. I was showing that they’re SO fearful of him that they’re not even willing to take the chance to talk bad about him to a reporter. The idea that they’ll revolt I think is pretty far fetched if they’re not even willing to talk about him poorly.

 

I hope you’re right. But I’m fairly confidence that Putin knew if he invaded Ukraine he would get crippling sanctions. Which means he calculated the risk v reward and decided the reward was worth it. And I don’t think only taking Ukraine would make it worth it.

 

I don't think it worthwhile either, but my conclusion from that, is that Putin miscalculated. He let his ego grow too big, & began to believe his own propaganda, and yes-men. He's now just too committed, in his own mind, to turn back.

You may well be right, in regards to Putin's original plans. But even he is not so deluded to not now recognize that he does not possess the army, that he'd believed that he did. If he can nail down anything that vaguely resembles a stable situation of Russian control in Ukraine, he will fly off to the Orthodox monastery on Mount Athos, and Kiss the ass of the Virgin Mary statue, in gratitude. Below is an enlightening article, you might find interesting.

https://time.com/4475613/putins-pilgrimage/

 

That would have meant giving up their Russian language, heritage and faith because it is a fascist government. That was the problem with Crimea and the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics right from the start. As for fitting in, it doesn't matter because the world has now split in two - thanks to the sanctions. Russia does consider them free Republics and now the Kherson area is holding a referendum as to whether they want to be independent from Ukraine. Those Republics will be with Russia rather than the West.

What Ukraine is losing by not having accepted the Minsk agreement is their access to the Black Sea. Zalensky could have stopped the war and saved lives, but instead he did what his handlers told him and kept the war going on. Whenever he didn't accept Russia's demands on demilitarizing and stopping the Nazi atrocities, Russia and the militia of the Donetsk Peoples Republic began to free more and more former Russian territories. There's no way they're going to give them up.

There was no reason for the US and EU to attack Russia and Vladimir Putin so vehemently - even willing to throw the world into a severe recession and even famine, unless there was something a lot deeper and more serious going on than just Ukraine. I know certain devout Orthodox Elders have been critical of the One World Order, which is now being called the Great Reset.

Also a few weeks ago a pharmaceutical industrialist apologized to Vladimir Putin for the Greek government's stance, because he said he knows Putin is fighting against the World Economic Forum and for all of humanity. So what goes?

The problem is that Russia is not willing to go along with the Great Reset, which is basically a communist system that is being imposed on the world. A few days ago, I came across this video which gives a very good explanation of the Great Reset - and he does verify everything with facts and references.

 

I'm not sure they were really trying to make a statement:

 

Familiar with the etymology of the french word "Sabotage"?

 

Ukrainians speak Ukrainian, not Russian

 

Cant say that I am.

 

Not in the Eastern part of Ukraine. They speak Russian because they are Russian, Why do you think they're being persecuted by the Nazis from Western Ukraine? Lenin gave the Russian lands to the Ukrainian administration during the Soviet Union and Crimea was given to Ukraine by Khruschev. The people there speak Russian, conduct their business in Russian, go to school in Russia and marry Russians.

 

Those in Western Ukraine are not Nazis. You are merely repeating Putin's communistic lies.

 

Jeannette did not say "Those in Western Ukraine are Nazis". She said >>>

There's a big difference.

 

xxx

 

If @Statistikhengst (who's flying the Ukraine flag in his avatar) doesn't know this ........

 

There has been a lot said & discussed in Russia to support this view.

 

You mean it had that size economy. I just heard a prediction from the government official who designed our sanctions, that Russia's economy in the coming year is predicted to be ONLY HALF of what it was. So, that will make it 1/20th the size of just the EU's economy. They are not going to have the means to go to Finland on a vacation, much less, on an invasion.

 

This post has made my day Jenny. I have long known that you and Jazz are kindred spirits, now you have found each other. She is precisely the sort of person who is attracted to supporting your hero Vladimir. It was meant to be.

 

I speak English, but I’m not from England. Also, unlike low-IQ Russians, most of the Ukrainians are capable of learning more than 1 language.

There are no Nazis in Ukraine.
In fact, Ukraine is under attack by Russian fascists:

What?

 

Haha... my home country, Germany, comes to mind. I am from the very North, Schleswig-Holstein, and we speak our own language = Plattduetsch= low German. Traveling to the south, say Bavaria, they speak their own crazy dialect nobody from the North can understand. Plus the Bavarians love to wear their Lederhosen and Dirndls. You would think, you are in a different country, but, no, we are all Germans and love each other. My husband even wore his "Lederhosen" here in Canada!
I find it really odd that the Ukrainians can't except each other for the sake of peace.

Ja mei, are the Khersons another group beside the Donbass people? And where are the German Ukrainians? To my knowledge there lived German-speaking Ukrainians in the Ukraine during the war. After the war they fled to Germany and from there in the early fifties some went on to Canada. One of my children married a Ukrainian in Alberta.

Yes, that is kind of dumb in my opinion, seeing how aggressively the Poles made sure to get plenty of free access to the Baltic Sea!!!

Who are his "handlers"? Not the war mongers, the Americans, again?? What about the aggressive Germans? Wasn't Mrs. Merkel one of the Minsk Agreement's architects? Maybe, if she was still in office, she might have persuaded Zelensky to agree to it. He seems to be an easy-going, likeable guy. Now the situation has turned into a continent-altering event. Such small hair triggers often happen in crucial moments.

I guess not. They might prefer to live for more centuries in tension and fear, because the other side, the Kiever Ukraine, won't give up either... they have the globalist dogs at their heels.

It used to be called Communism back when I grew up and Germany fought it like hell, but lost. The Communist's goal was world dominance and they almost made it with the help of USA and Great Britain.
Then the Communists switched names but kept their goal, and this time they are going for the throat of the big bear, mankind's last hope!
I hope I am mistaken.

Sorry, I know nothing about the Greeks or the certain pharmaceutical industrialist. However, I have for many years heard about that "the Hope of the World will come out of Russia". One can find it in the Edgar Cayce readings, I believe.
That prediction gives me hope and trust in the future. For it to become true, we people all have to believe in the goodness of Putin. One of my brothers lies buried in Russia, which gives me a spiritual connection to the country and its people.

Yes, a Communist system! How odd that Putin, raised in a Communist country, rejects it! Doesn't that tell you to stay far away from it?
As kids we used to define Communism as... "what is yours is also mine, BUT what is mine is NOT yours!!
The video I will have to listen to tomorrow. It is rather late now.
Thank you, Jeannette, for your patience.

 

Very little of this made any sense at all, but it does go to show that there are also some Germans out there for whom we can feel very, very ashamed that they are so ill-informed or willingly ignorant, or both.

The Ukranian people and their government are neither communists nor are they nazis nor are they fascists.
Also, most Ukrainians speak more than one language.
Also, the Ukrainians did not attack Russia, they have also fired not one single missile across the border into Russia.

You are so woefully ill-informed, one doesn't even know where to begin.

It's very, very sad. I am ashamed for you.

Putin is a very, very evil dictator and very soon, the misery he has served upon the Ukrainian people will come home to haunt the Russian people for generations to come.

 

Mehr als du denkst
macht ein Statistikhengst.....

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Is this backlash from world opinion:

 

Sad but unsurprising:

 

That's harsh! He's a grown-up man and has his own understandings of political situations. Mama needs to allow him some respect.

 

Sorry, I'm late.

In the meantime I have read an interview with Thierry Meyssan from Voltaire Network. He a.o. explains the main reason why the USA is going so determined against Russia.... to hide their own downfall and try to save their hegemony status:

"In fact, since the collapse of Soviet Union, the U.S. try to prevent any other power to challenge them. So, at that time Russia was nothing. It was totally collapsing. And the first idea of its people was to stop the European Union. They think European Union is a great market, but must never become a political power.

So, what happened now is the direct consequence of this way of thinking. You see the armored conflict in Ukraine, but the reaction to this conflict is not against Russia, it is against for Europeans. They use this conflict to popularize, to create an economic collapse in Europe.

And you will see, it will arrive. It will arrive. Of course, if you want to attack the Russia, it’s not possible. Because Russia, it’s much more powerful than the United States on the military level, I say. Of course, not at all on the financial level. But in every conflict, when you have finance against military, the military won, always...."

Cont. reading here:
https://www.voltairenet.org/article216526.html
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That only makes sense, if Russia is figured as part of Europe!
I still have difficulties understanding the West's reasoning behind this conflict. Putin surely can see that he is the real target. Why does he even engage in this "Cat and Mouse" game?
Either bring down the hammer or leave quietly.

 

I always wondered if the sanctions were to destroy the EU, since it harms them more than Russia. So the question is, why does the EU allow it? I think it's because they're controlled economically and idealistically as well. As an example, when Brussels refused to clamp down on Hungary and Poland, George Soros wrote them a scathing letter saying that they'll have to reconsider and indebt the individual nations rather than the EU as a whole.

George Friedman of Stratfor said once, that Washington's main goal was to always keep Russia and Germany apart so they wouldn't become a major force. Putin made many overtures to Germany, but he realized with the first sanctions how much economic control Washington had over them.

I know that Soros and his ideologue followers believe in a one world government and economic system - which is basically the goal of the World Economic Forum with their Great Reset. I see it as a means of control over everyone by high powered individuals similar to the Soviet Union - which to me would be an enslavement of humanity.

That universal control they want though, cannot exist without Russia's assets which comes to about 30% of the world's resources. This makes Putin their nemesis since he believes that: "Political standards of behavior cannot be imposed on nations and people, since they all have their own special nature which includes their ethnic and religeous structure and their historical traditions". In other words, all nations have to be respected in their own right.

Recently he said that he has now destroyed their New World Order which would account for their hatred towards him.