‘New normal’ in gun sales: 16 million or more

apparently Venezuela and Columbia are becoming big suppliers of REAL MILITARY grade weapons in the area

 

Got a link? Are they now manufacturing their own weapons?

 

don't you keep up on these issues?

 

https://www.interpol.int/en/News-an...-reveals-serious-trafficking-despite-pandemic

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/16/us-made-guns-central-america-migration

 

Ah! So no link colour me unsurprised

 

look up indumil. their stuff is showing up all over south and central America. Same with the Venezuelan stuff-their main maker's name escapes me. Indumil started making Gallil assault rifles under IMI license and MP5s under H&K licenses

 

link won't open. lots american weapons that end up with cartels is military assistance material funneled to the cartels by corrupt government actors.

 

It is the guardian so it should open

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/16/us-made-guns-central-america-migration

 

It is the guardian so it should open

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/16/us-made-guns-central-america-migration

 

Why should I do your homework for you?

 

You are often posting stuff that demonstrates much ignorance on the subject-stuff I know. You demand I prove stuff that you should already know if you want to debate arms issues with me. I bet you had never heard of that arms maker. I do because when I was shooting a world cup in Cali I used their ammunition and that was years ago.

 

she's whining about more laws rather than enforcing the hundreds that make all this illegal. Here is no private sale loophole in the USA btw. the federal government does not have any proper power to require background checks on intrastate private sales-and interstate private sales are already illegal. that writer also ignores the diversion of military grade stuff that comes from the USA and goes to corrupt army officials in Mexico etc

 

Do you feel like a few guns smuggled over is the real problem? I mean, the cartels take weapons from their own Mexican military. And they saw heads off right and left and generally murder their way around the country, despite the fact that civilians can’t own weapons.
That’s a hilarious but bad example.

 

The cartels generally buy their weapons in bulk. They are now flowing in from further south and from overseas.

The US Government's Secret Police agencies supplied the weapons, including dozens of 50 caliber sniper rifles, to the cartels to help expand their power and influence in Mexico and the US. Why would they do that?

“Humberto Benitez Trevino, a federal deputy who chairs the justice committee in the lower chamber of Congress, the Chamber of Deputies, said in comments released by Congress this week that “we have 150 cases of injuries and homicides with arms that were smuggled and passed illegally into our country.”

“Mexican President Felipe Calderon is already upset at U.S. Ambassador Carlos Pascual over a series of leaked diplomatic cables citing shortcomings in Mexico’s 4-year-old war against drug cartels. Mexican politicians have criticized the ATF program as a violation of Mexico’s sovereignty and evidence of U.S. arrogance toward its southern neighbor. Lawmakers from all of Mexico’s main political parties have demanded to know whether Mexican authorities were aware of the program."

“This is a serious violation of international law,” said lawmaker Carlos Ramirez Marin, a member of the opposition Institutional Revolutionary Party and president of the Chamber of Deputies. “What happens if next time they need to introduce trained assassins or nuclear weapons?”

The new claims came amid growing demands for an independent investigation in the U.S.”...

"But John Dodson, an ATF agent in Phoenix who worked on the Fast and Furious effort and became alarmed enough to alert Senate investigators, said in an interview that the number of guns sold to known traffickers under the eyes of the ATF was so large that it was “impossible” the agency didn’t know the weapons were going to Mexico.

“I mean, ... a guy comes in and purchases 10 AK-47s, and four of them he purchased last time have already shown up on the other side of the border? And you keep going?” Dodson said Dodson said the operation was based on a strategy change ordered by Washington in September that directed agents to go after not just low-level purchasers but high-level buyers in the cartels."...

Dodson said the number of guns sold under the investigation grew dramatically -- exceeding 1,500 by October -- and none of the traffickers were being arrested.“You keep hearing, ‘It was a sting operation gone bad.’ Or, ‘We lost some guns.’ That’s not it. It was intentional and deliberate,” Dodson said.

“We watched these people,” he said. “We knew before they were going, we watched them get the money, go buy the guns, we watched them take them out of one vehicle and put them in another one in a parking lot, and we watched one guy go home and the other guy go south. And we couldn’t do anything about it.””
LOS ANGELES TIMES, Mexico demands answers on guns, BY KIM MURPHY AND KEN ELLINGWOOD, MARCH 11, 2011.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2011-mar-11-la-naw-mexico-guns-20110311-story.html

I wonder no one ever bothers to follow the money?

 

Have we forgotten Fast & Furious with Eric Holder?

 

In addition to the thousands of clandestine submachine gun shipments etc. Holder might have been asked why our secret police also shipped dozens of .50-.caliber sniper rifles to Mexico.

Holder’s refusal to testify was probably more politically expedient than having to plead the 5th like the IRS chief.
Mexican politicians and police officials probably figured out what those weapons, especially the sniper rifles with a orange of over a mile, were supposed accomplish for the cartels with the help of USG officials that clearly worked for the cartels.

“The controlled movement of firearms, ammunition, explosives, explosives devices, and/or components or non-functional ‘props’ of such items across the U.S.-Mexico border from the United States shall be coordinated with and approved in advance by Bureau headquarters and the MCO.” Dodson said the number of guns sold under the investigation grew dramatically -- exceeding 1,500 by October -- and none of the traffickers were being arrested.

“You keep hearing, ‘It was a sting operation gone bad.’ Or, ‘We lost some guns.’ That’s not it. It was intentional and deliberate,” Dodson said.

“We watched these people,” he said. “We knew before they were going, we watched them get the money, go buy the guns, we watched them take them out of one vehicle and put them in another one in a parking lot, and we watched one guy go home and the other guy go south. And we couldn’t do anything about it.”

Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. said Thursday he was taking “very seriously” the concerns expressed by some ATF agents over the investigation and has asked the inspector general to “get to the bottom of it.”

“I’ve also made clear to people in the department that letting guns walk ... is not something that is acceptable,” Holder said in response to questions from Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) at an appropriations subcommittee hearing. “Guns are different than drug cases, or cases where we’re trying to follow where money goes.”

LOS ANGELES TIMES, Mexico demands answers on guns, BY KIM MURPHY AND KEN ELLINGWOOD, MARCH 11, 2011.https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2011-mar-11-la-naw-mexico-guns-20110311-story.html