‘We Will Be Going Back’: Lindsey Graham Tells Stunned Reporter US Will Re-Invade Afghanistan

This issue there is that Japan and Germany were civilized nations with laws and order. We might not have agreed with how they went about it, but they were actually nations. We’re not dealing with those sorts of people here. It’s hard to say if they care at all about developing a civilized country.

We don’t have the balls to do what we did to them to
force them to submit. Germany was decimated and 2 bombs informed Japan. But these people? Do they care at all about where they live? You’re not killing people with families worthy saving or homes worth building. They don’t care.

 

I don't if anyone on this message board would condone it if we did to Afghanistan what we did to Germany and especially Japan. It wasn't just two bombs, we firebombed Japan's cities for months before that, and that caused way more devastation and lives lost than the atomic bombs we eventually dropped. Men, women, children, old people, babies all burned alive. I'm happy we don't do that anymore. What was done to Germany was brutal, but we were dealing with a brutal mindset in both cases. Again, we are fortunate to not have to deal with this, and not have to react with the violence and death toll.
You're correct, the situation in Afghanistan is more tribal, or locally controlled. They don't have the type of formal government that early 20th century Germany and Japan had. And that is why they are not a threat to anyone outside their country, they don't have the infrastructure to build a large military. But it may not be much fun living there.

 

Graham can go F himself. We get our people out and it's a wrap at this point. It was a huge mistake to give up the airbase, but what is done is done.

 

So when al Qaeda attacks us again killing thousands the Dems will not stop them and kill them and prevent them from doing so?

 

the orchestrators of the Holocaust and kamikazes were civilized?

good lord.

 

Wow. How can China have a "overseas province" when Afghanistan borders China? There's no sea to be "overseas". Yes the border is small, 57 miles but its still a border.

 

Far more innocent people were murdered by indiscriminate firebombing than died in German work camps.

Press a button or pull a trigger; killing is killing.

“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”

Prime Minister Winston Churchill
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/

 

They certainly are a threat outside the country.

Civilized as in functioning country with laws, government, police, manufacturing, businesses, ect. Not just a bunch of religious zealots running around living in huts and caves.

 

I wonder how many conservative Americans would have been down with the invasion of Iraq the second time if they had known it would mean the extinction of the Christian community that had existed there for over a millenia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48333923

 

We either need to leave them alone or turn the entire country into a giant glass factory.

 

all of us wanted to attack Afghanistan, most of us did not want a 20+ year war

we just wanted a quick series of precision air strikes blowing stuff up in retaliation

most of us did not want to go to war with Iraq....

the decider decided, and he thought he was on a mission from God....

 

Let us put Graham in Afghanistan and let him fight his war.

 

Is death the only answer?

 

How did you feel when you saw the twin towers come down and learned it was al Qaeda? Did you need Bush to convince you to attack al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Not many people I knew needed convincing.

 

It all depends on what Israel says. They determine our 'foreign policy' in that region.

 

Genghis Khan and Attila were remarkably good at annihilating tribal armies throughout Asia, actually -- and yet neither of them had weaponry to compare with ours today.

Think about it....

 

scorched earth policy? ...

 

In war? Yes.

 

Yet we have no declaration of war.

 

You’re talking legal semantics there

 

No, it was the whole “democracy will make them nice” part I didn’t buy

 

That came later on.

 

Well, both of them were ruthless to a degree we probably can't comprehend today. So fear has been effective. Still used today, just a lot more disguised.
How do you know they were remarkably good at it? Not many records of life in Afghanistan tribes in those days. Other than extreme fear, I don't think they were all that effective with the Afghanistan tribes. Honestly, not sure why anyone would want to even inhabit that region.

 

Well, of course, not even I was around way back then, although I'm presently a senior citizen and comfortably retired. I based my observation on the reputation that both Genghis Khan and Attila 'the Hun' had for the ruthlessness you alluded to.

But, even a comparatively erudite, cultured fellow like Prussian General Carl Philipp Gottfried von Clausewitz knew that when you go to WAR, you must go in with one thing (ONE) primarily in mind -- the total defeat of forces that oppose you! You don't go in to create 'emerging markets', you don't go in to get engaged in 'nation-building', and you don't go in to create imitations of your own culture and your own beliefs. You go in to ERADICATE forces that oppose you and your nation's interest. Parenthetically, never once did we "Infidels" even begin seriously to TRY to eradicate the Islamo-Nazis in Afghanistan, or, anywhere else, for that matter....

If you haven't read any of von Clauswitz' book, "On War" (Vom Kriege), I highly recommend it to you:

"Just think of me as a somewhat better-dressed 'Hun'...."

 

Thanks for the book tip! Sounds like a very interesting read!
I think our brutality in war bleeds over to society. Wars in general are not as brutal as they used to be, so, just like everything else, they are evolving. Nothing more brutal than hacking someone to death a sword. Maybe we are inching toward a better human race. I like to think so, anyway.