‘When you’re late, you're late’: Kanye falls short in Wisconsin

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  1. Pants

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    I wish I could give you a definitive answer on that - but I can't. I don't know that I have a line in the sand. I do know that it should be more difficult to buy guns - it should take a waiting period and there should be thorough checks on criminality and mental health.
     
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    So you’re a Kanye West supporter?
    Look if he’s so vital to Trump winning reflection, then Trump and his people should make sure he files his paperwork on time. I don’t know what else to say. Why should the rules be bent for Kanye? It didn’t say show up by 5pm, by the time they got the paperwork done it was well after 5pm, so why should they allow it?
     
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    kanye would have been a good third party vote, the others aren't cool.
     
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    Second sentence of the article "his documents were filed one to two minutes after the 5 p.m. deadline". That's why it should be allowed. Because that ridiculously short period of time is trivial and within any margin of honest clerical process. Second time you've spun this around to be a Trump thing despite this commission being bi-partisan, btw.
     
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    WRONG.

    Late is LATE.

    It doesn't matter if it is 5 seconds or 5 days or 5 years.

    Late is Late. Period.
     
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    Exactly...much like when panderers/scammers such as Gingrich and Huckabee threw their hats into the ring in order to sell books.
     
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    Fair enough. Unless you can read minds, integrity is an illusion. Results speak for themselves.
     
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    Amateurism in politics again. Don't give your opponents a chance to hit a knock out punch by not being ready with your teeth in and gloves on before the bell rings. They will swing!
     
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    Integrity is honesty moral uprightness and strong moral principles. That hardly describes the life Trump has led in or out of office. Biden just like everyone else is not perfect. Compared to Trump he is at least ok.
     
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    My mistake, I mis-read on how late they got the paper work in order.

    Yeah but still no, this isn't about being bi-partisan or not. The rules exist because if you allow you minutes for one guy, why not thirty minutes for the next? Why not an hour the next time? Ask yourself this, if it was your or me filing that paperwork and not Kanye, would they have even debated it or just said no on the spot? And like you said, it was a bi-partisan commission.

    Oh and Kanye's campaign IS a Trump thing. At least, they are supporting it as a means to try and win. Trump's supporters aren't disputing that they want him to take votes from Biden. No one in this country thinks he's seriously running for president.
     
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    No, this makes no sense. One can get results with integrity and one can get them without integrity. Results only speak to results. They often say nothing about how one achieved them.
     
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    Compared? Since I can't read minds, I can only go by results. Joe is likable, but if I had to choose one of the two, I would have to vote for Trump and then spit afterwards.
     
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    Hey you vote for your own reasons or emotions that is your right.
     
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    Living in CA, I hear that a lot from Dems defending the damage their party has caused. Even if I give them 100% credit for integrity and good intentions, results speak for themselves.
     
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    By damage, you mean the 5th largest economy in the world? Is that not a result that speaks for itself?
     
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    Yes. In spite of a strong economy and the highest taxes, CA is the poverty capitol of the US. Schools rank with the lowest, our roads are crumbling and many cities are on the brink of insolvency. The gap between the rich and poor is huge and there are few middle class left. The second amendment has taken heavy damage as well.

    Limousine liberals do like to remind the poor and homeless how great our economy is.
     
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    I agree that it's not fair to bend the rules; however, I wonder if this is something that is usually handled by an attorney. If so, he might have a case for legal malpractice. Lawyers can get in a ton of trouble for not filing paperwork on time. That might just apply to criminal cases though.
     
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    Why would conservatives care if the economy is good? I mean, I've been told time and time again as a liberal that making money is the first objective of America. I don't think you can dispute that but if you want to, go for it. I have been told that good education, good health care, and even good roads are NOT a right or anything I'm promised by my government. So isn't California living up to the right wing American dream then?
     
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    No sir. Dems enjoy a super majority and the cons don't have a voice. CA is the democrats petri dish. I live in Los Angeles and the damage is more severe here, but so are the taxes.

    If paying the highest taxes created a thriving, healthy, well educated society, I would be a Democrat.
     
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    Simple, because 60 or so seconds is within reasonable tolerance accounting for any number justifiable albeit trivial legal challenges. Half an hour, an hour, a day, not really much option to argue against that but 60 seconds - loads of reasonable doubt there. You know what my challenge would be? I'd go after the time itself. Where did the filing clerk get their 5:00 pm reading, from a wrist-watch from a wall clock from a desktop computer? I'd seek to discover how the time was ascertained and recorded, if the election office was operating from an NIST synced standard, if it was regularly audited for accuracy. I'd subpoena for personnel to give testimony, for records, for operational procedure, then I'd repeat the process to cross-verify. I'd ask for security camera footage to see if any personal handling the documents didn't stop for a chat or some coffee. I could occupy court time and consume city monies fending off one challenge after another and I'd be fully within my rights to do this given the circumstance and/when I found a single crack in the process (which I would because you know a lil' election office isn't going to be able to prove they kept exact time) I'd sue to have the entry of 5:00 pm invalidated on the grounds that the office couldn't proven it keeping correct time.

    Now from the election office's point of view the simple thing to do to avoid such a silly confrontation altogether is to just grant that 60 seconds is within reasonable tolerance and let the man register his papers. If I were Kanye's lawyer this would be my move but maybe his campaign isn't serious after all. But we know damn well sure that if a major party candidate missed their deadline by 60 seconds no election board in the country would stand on it because those campaigns would file such a challenge as I described and they'd win.
     
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    Today's Kanye update, because the RNC doesn't contain all the delusional in this country....

    On ballot in Tennessee (only need 275 unique signatures, or as Kanye thinks about it, 25 people)

    Off ballot in his "home" state of Wyoming and Missouri

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kanye-west-falls-short-efforts-175414703.html

    Let's recap - On the ballot in 9 states:

    States Biden has zero chance (6)
    Arkansas, Idaho, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah

    States Trump has zero chance (1)
    Vermont

    So BEST case scenario for conservatives, Kanye might pull 1 or 2% of the Biden vote in Colorado and Minnesota

    Good luck
     

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