“As close to Benedict Arnold as we’re ever going to get”

This career intelligence officer named Malcom Nance has a grim forecast on Donnie's presidency. He's convinced that Donnie Trump and his inner circle are in league with Putin. This is not good news for this country...His interview at:

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/14/int...to-benedict-arnold-as-were-ever-going-to-get/

 

A presidential candidate, his team, and the the president elect and his staff met with officials from a foreign government. BFD. It is kind of the nature of government to actually have to deal with other governments.

 

What is astounding...is considering what the Trump apologists would be doing if this situation had Hillary Clinton being accused of what Donald Trump is accused of.

The hypocrisy of the right is thick as mud!

 

Benedict Arnold was actually a great US general, but he got angry at the US for not reimbursing him for paying for soldiers, and not promoting him.

 

The hypocrisy of the left is worse.
Hillary was accused of accepting large "donations" from the Saudi's, as well as other unsavory nations.

 

When you can defend Trump without deflection, and you actually address the subject of the OP, your opinion might actually matter.

And, once again, strictly a rhetorical question:

Is it actually possible to defend this lunatic (that you apparently support) WITHOUT deflection?

Once any of his supporters can defend Trump without deflection to "But Obama/But Clinton/Fake News" their opinioins might (repeat might) be worth taking seriously.

The constant deflection by the pro-Trump echo chamber is a complete joke (that is unworthy of being taken seriously).

 

You know, there is something weird about "ex-intelligence officers." They seem to be prone to paranoid conspiracy theories of the most astonishing variety. It must be an occupational hazard. I learned to stop listening to them years ago.

You should really try to overcome your "confirmation bias" and try to think critically. What evidence do you have he is not a complete nutter? Especially as being an "ex-intelligence officer" is one strike against him already, and being published in Salon is a second: it is the Weekly World News of the left.

 

Andrew Jackson: You have to remember that Donnie's supporters have become cult members, at this point. It will take years to deprogram them.

 

Pycckia: You think Intelligence officers have that title for life? Never heard of 30 year retirement? But I'm sure you guys know far more than he does. You get five points for a deflection, however. It's what Donnie's people excel at.

 

You are apparently unable to grasp that it is not deflection to point out that behavior you were alright with for your girl is now a problem in the current situation.
That is hypocrisy. Not deflection

 

Obviously.

The undereducated, low-information voters who elected him are politically unsophisticated (and come across as clueless).

However, my default position is that most "Trump supporters" at PF are just internet trolls (who don't believe half of what they are saying).

Their whole shtick revolves around "But Obama/But Clinton/Fake News", and they actually believe that Breitbart is something more than a comedy/parody site that is trolling them.

That is why I rarely (if ever) allow myself to be engaged by PF's RW Fever Swamp trolls.

Engaging me in a back-and-forth would qualify as bucket list stuff for most of them.

Most of the pro-Trump RW trolls at PF seem more suited to getting into a flame war with an 11-year-old Instagram queen at a Katy Perry forum.

I am still waiting for a response from anyone on the other side that is worthy of my engagement.

Of course everybody, at PF, already knows that I don't allow myself to be trolled, so any attempt to get my attention (or engagement) is going to be a heavy lift.

 

Will it be any worse than the Kenyan we had as president for the last 8 years?

Nah, I am not a birther I just believe one conspiracy theory deserves another.

 

Not sure one can actually throw the hypocrisy card based on assumptions of what would happen in an alternate reality, but either way, tis the nature of politics.

 

I will acknowledge both points you make, Deckel.

I should have included the proviso that I was offering a supposition.

 

' career intelligence officer' seems to be a stretch...I'm not discounting his service (retired navy e-8 who worked in cryptography) but a quickie bio describes him as' Malcolm Wrightson Nance is a retired United States Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer in naval cryptology and author, scholar and media commentator on international terrorism, intelligence, insurgency and torture.'...so to me he has an technical intelligence background , and is a researcher,author and consultant....that's not quite the same

 

Have you been deprogrammed yet from Obama? I think not. You're funny...

 

Let me guess---- Malcolm Nance is a Lefty...

 

Let me guess—you've been working in the Kremlin for 20 years. No? Prove it. On another note, why would anyone from the fanatical right admit to Trump connections with Russia? Lefty! Obama! You'll be singing the same tune when Trump is impeached.

 

It's absolutely deflection. Stuff you claimed to be outraged about with Clinton mean absolutely nothing when Trump engages in worse.

 

Flynn was the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. There's no way that he could have misunderstood who he was talking to or who his coworkers were talking to and how screwed up that was.

There was no misjudgment here. Flynn, by his vert history and experience HAD to know what he was doing and how wrong it was.

 

That's why he was forced to resign in disgrace.

He is also a disgrace and a stain on the Armed Services.

 

It is normal for the ambassadors of many countries to attend the nominating conventions. It is also not unusual for some informal discussion during the campaign.

What is not normal is repeated communication between one campaign via surrogates and third parties.

What is not normal is for people in a presidential campaign to behave as if they are conducting the nation's foreign policy when they have neither been elected or appointed to do so.

What is not normal is for the presidential candidate, or president elect to have substantial finacial obligations to shadowy figures connected to money laundering and shady dealings with oligarchs closely tied to the leader of a rival country.

What is not normal is for that aforementioned candidate (president) to bend over backwards to try and conceal these associations.

Finally, what is not normal is for the agents of a foreign government to attempt to influence a US PResidential election in a significant way, and to engage in intelligence activities to directly benefit a particular candidate.

 

That's true enough...but more importantly he's the key to this whole hing.

In order for whatever wire tap caught him to be legal (and we have to assume it was or we would have seen the pushback rather than a resignation) HE had to have been the target. In order for him to have been the target...there had to be compelling evidence of criminal behavior. More than what we have seen so far.

 

It must be fun living in an imaginary world.

 

While some of that may be true in the abstract...the specifics of most of these meetings are anything but normal nor is the lying about them.

Sessions says that as a member of the Intell committee it was in his job description. He wasn't the chair of that committee and none of the other members took these meetings.

Flynn turned out to be a PAID agent of a foreign nation while attending intel briefings....

Normal? Not so much

Manafort had to resign because of Russian contacts
Carter Page had to resign because of Russian contacts
Gardner ADMITTED that deals were made to change the party platform.

Normal????