“How Texas’s gun laws allow Mexican cartels to arm themselves to the teeth”

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    Gunwalking, or "letting guns walk", was a tactic used by the Arizona U.S. Attorney's Office and the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations between 2006 and 2011 in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them".These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

    Project Gunrunner is a project of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico, in an attempt to deprive the Mexican drug cartels of weapons.

    The primary tactic of Project Gunrunner is interdiction of straw purchasers and unlicensed dealers to prevent legal guns from entering the black market; between 2005 and 2008, 650 such cases involving 1,400 offenders and 12,000 firearms were referred for prosecution

     
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    Trafficking of U.S.-sourced firearms into Mexico is a national security threat, as it facilitates the illegal drug trade and has been linked to organized crime. The Department of Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) found that 70 percent of firearms reported to have been recovered in Mexico from 2014 through 2018 and submitted for tracing were U.S. sourced. However, ATF does not receive complete data about thousands of firearms, such as those recovered by Mexican states, because only Mexico's federal Attorney General's office submits trace requests to ATF. In addition, the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has identified smuggling trends by analyzing DHS data on 1,012 firearms seized in the U.S. by DHS agencies. However, ICE has not analyzed ATF data on 56,000 U.S. firearms recovered in Mexico. Additional data and analysis could enhance U.S. efforts to understand firearms sources and smuggling routes.
    https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-322

    When we consider this second type of guns, a large number of them encountered in Mexico are likely purchased in the United States. Indeed, the GAO report notes that many of the guns most commonly traced back to the United States fall into this category. There are also many .45-caliber and 9 mm semiautomatic pistols and .357 revolvers obtained from deserters from the Mexican military and police, purchased from corrupt Mexican authorities or even brought in from South America (guns made by manufacturers such as Taurus and Bersa). This category also includes semiautomatic variants of assault rifles and main battle rifles, which are often converted by Mexican gunsmiths to be capable of fully automatic fire.
    https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth

    ATF officials challenge the suggestion that Mexico only sends them guns they suspect are from the United States. In fact, the ATF found about a quarter of the 90 percent were made in other countries and then taken illegally from the United States into Mexico.

    ...When looking at all the weapons used in violent crimes in Mexico, Islas said the figure of 90 percent coming from the United States may be a bit on the high side, but he said the real number is certainly a lot higher than the 17 percent cited by Fox.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ama/Obama-claims-90-percent-guns-used-Mexico/


    There’s no dispute that thousands of handguns, military-style rifles and other firearms are purchased in the U.S. and end up in the hands of Mexican criminals each year. It’s relatively easy to buy such guns legally in Texas and other border states and to smuggle them across.
    https://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/

    THE SNIPER RIFLES FLOWING TO MEXICAN CARTELS SHOW A DECADE OF U.S. FAILURE

    North of the border, the .50-caliber sniper rifle is the stuff of YouTube celebrity, shown blasting through engine blocks and concrete walls. Deployed with U.S. troops to foreign wars, it is among the most destructive weapons legally available in the United States.

    But every week, those rifles are trafficked across the border to Mexico, where increasingly militarized drug cartels now command arsenals that rival the weaponry of the country’s security forces. In many cases, criminals outgun police.


    ...In a country with just a single legal gun shop, on a military base in the capital, roughly 2.5 million illicit American guns have poured across the border in the past decade, according to a new Mexican government study

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ico-drug-cartels-sniper-rifles-us-gun-policy/


    https://archive.ph/aj3k0
     
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    Gun violence is now the leading cause of death among kids and teens in the United States?

    With nearly every other industry in the United States, civil liability can be used as an important check on irresponsible and harmful industry behaviors. But the gun industry has enjoyed enormous exemptions from liability and accountability in court since passage in 2005 of the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (“PLCAA”). Many states have also enacted laws that similarly shield firearm and ammunition manufacturers, dealers, and other industry members from many kinds of traditional civil lawsuits.

    ...Civil liability plays an important role in promoting community and consumer safety

    ...In the 1990s, a series of lawsuits resulted in court judgements holding certain members of the firearms industry liable for particularly reckless practices. But instead of comprehensively reforming its business practices in response, the industry responded by lobbying to pass new gun industry immunity laws in states across the nation to prevent plaintiffs from bringing many types of lawsuits against firearm and ammunition manufacturers and sellers. Then, in 2005, after intense lobbying from the gun industry, Congress enacted and President Bush signed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), a law that gives gun manufacturers and sellers unprecedented immunity from lawsuits. Some courts have interpreted PLCAA in an especially broad manner that has effectively slammed courtroom doors shut even when victims bring abundant evidence of illegal gun industry conduct that caused or contributed to their loved ones’ death. At the state level, gun industry immunity laws have now also been adopted in some form in 34 states.

    These legal immunities have helped to shield this profitable industry from facing basic financial incentives to better protect public health and safety. Too often, they have encouraged “head in the sand” behavior that shirks any role for those manufacturing, selling, marketing, or importing firearms and related products to identify dangerous patterns, proactively change behaviors, and lead toward lifesaving innovations and solutions.
    https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/other-laws-policies/gun-industry-immunity/
     
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    So fat people can sue the makers of silverware?
     
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    Sounds like Mexico’s gun laws are a big fail.
     
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    No, I won't because I don't know anything about it.
     
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    This is a false equivalency. Prior activity was done with coordination and support of Mexican authorities. Additionally, GPS trackers were used and arrests were made. "Fast and Furious" under the Obama administration was done in secret without the knowledge of Mexico, with no way to immediately track the firearms, with no attempt to arrest the buyers, and with the expressed hope that they would be used in murder crime scenes so they could track the firearms. Your link even says "referred to prosecution." That was not the case with Fast and Furious. The Obama administration lied when they made the claim that this behavior had been done before. And, people who don't research the facts properly were fooled by it.
     
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    complete bullshit--the anti gun left tries to use lawsuits to get around the constitutional protections of the second amendment. Every gun sold by a legal dealer (and there are already criminal laws to prosecute dealers who sell in violation of the laws) is done pursuant to strict federal laws and in retail cases, background checks.

    Why don't you tell me where a gun maker has contributed at all to the death of someone who was murdered. what needs to happen is bankrupting lawyers and plaintiffs who file these bullshit cases.
     
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    Are automakers held liable when someone gets drunk, steals a car and kills a school bus full of kids?
    No? Why not?
    Why then should gun manufacturers be held liable when someone commits a crime with a gun?
     
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    so, mehico can't keep it's citizens under any form of control, cartels run the gov, and they can't act right with the guns they illegally obtain.

    sounds like their problem to me. anyone blaming anyone else is just making excuses and looking to shift blame.
     
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    Well, I do understand the left obsession with hating the U.S. and the length they will go to pin "IT ALL ON AMERICA" but that dog doesn't hunt in my camp :)

    Let's just go with this posters reply to bullshit haters club ;)
    Or if you like, "It takes two to tango" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Fake News. The Mexican military is arming the cartels.

    NARCO-STATE: Cartels Buying Weapons From Mexican Military. “A massive security breach of the Mexican government unveiled documents from the Mexico Secretariat of National Defense (Sedena). The leaked documents, published online by a group called Guacamaya, reveal that the Mexican military has been supplying cartels with weapons.”

    “On May 31, 2019, the military offered operators of the criminal group (Tejupilco drug cartel) 70 fragmentation grenades at a cost of 26,000 pesos (1300.29 USD) each; the criminal cell confirmed the purchase of eight of them, which were delivered to Atlacomulco, State of Mexico.”

    'The document then explained that not only were cartel members offered weapons, they were given classified information by military personnel that disclosed in full detail information on armed forces mobility and operations.'

    'Following the May 31 document was an intelligence report made on June 10 of the same year that revealed that Sedena had full knowledge of the exchange and refused to act on it'

    'The revelation comes just weeks after Texas Gov. Greg Abbott designated Mexican drug cartels as terrorist organizations and as millions of illegal aliens have poured across the southern border since President Joe Biden took office.'

    'In light of the Biden administration’s inaction, some members of Texas’ congressional delegation say the time has come for Texas to declare an invasion on the southern border.'

    “Not only are the United Nations, the Biden Administration, and U.S. nonprofits supporting the invasion of our southern border, now the Mexican military is arming the Cartels smuggling migrants with hand grenades,” U.S. Rep. Lance Gooden told Texas Scorecard. “I fully support declaring the border crisis an invasion and closing our border with Mexico until this coordinated onslaught of migrants is under control.”

    'Maybe Mexico should get their own house in order before blaming American arms companies…'
     

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