“Jack Smith’s Backup Option”

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  1. balancing act

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    I was only referring to the subject of politicians and their bad behaviors. And there is still much room for improvement.
    We do have a lot of problems in America, and I anticipate we'll have more in the future as we tamp down the present ones. There are 325+ million citizens in this country and it is impossible to please everyone all the time. Also, as a group, Americans are not yet used to the constant stream of information from tv, radio and the internet. Many are still struggling to grasp how to process it, and how to tune out the bs, which there is plenty of.
    I guess I'm an optimist at heart, but I don't think I'm wrong. At least I hope not! lol
    Think of it this way, my life is better when I have hope, so why not? It doesn't mean turning a blind eye, but how much you let it affect your daily life. I have made major *happiness* strides in my life simply by making changes in the way I deal with things everyday, and not worrying much about others. It's not always easy, but the results are amazing!
     
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    Trump’s Judge Cannon ordered today that attorneys obtain security clearances

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/15/trump-documents-case-security-clearance-cannon-00102241
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You dont think he brought 90% of this on himself ?

    For me most of this is the hypocrisy and projection from the right.They spent 4 years screaming on high about Hillarys server, chanted LOCK HER UP for those four years. Screamed on high about how she was not fit to be president because of that, and then Trump does it and the right is astounded that he is being held accountable for not returning the docs, and doing exactly what they feared Hillary could have had happen when she had classified docs, and he showed them to people who weren’t cleared to see them. THAT is exaclty what they claimed made Hillary unelectable because of the “risk”, and the Trump actually does it and they just dumbfounded and enraged that Trump is being charged

    FTR, I think Hillary was wrong for what she did. But What Trump did was 10 times worse because he is being accused of literally exposing this classified material.

    Trump will never be President again, He was beaten by a very weak candidate in Joe Biden. The dems could run a mop handle and beat Trump. Trump supporters make a lot of noise, but those noisemakers are a minority of the Republican Party. The repubs really want to get a cleaner candidate, and they will. DeSantis isnt that person either, but they will find a more centrist candidate to appease the majority of the party.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no question that trump was petty with his cheap "birther" garbage and the "lock her up" chant. Dems are taking it to another level with collusion, obstruction, nuclear secrets, etc. As awful as he is, dems make him electable by out-pettying him and producing poor results. Of course dems justify this under the guise of respect for the rule of law! They do this while giving incentives for breaking immigration laws.

    In the end, its all about power and control of the tax payer gravy train. From my point of view, I see mosquitoes fighting for a spot on my neck.

    I hope youre right about trump not ever being president again, but dems are giving him his best chance.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But your claim that “dems are taking it to another level” isnt really honest to the debate.

    Trump was given multiple warnings, he was asked multiple times by the Justice department to return the documents, and he gave them the middle finger. Blaming this on those who were trying to let him return them and then go about his day, is disingenuous to the discussion. This is 100% on Trumps lap.

    This was never about Trump having the documents, it was about him not returning the documents.
     
  7. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since this is a first, the claim that it is another level is truthful. This stinks of partisan overreach even though I am certain he broke several laws, if you started reading laws today, and lived to be 1000 years old, you would still commit crimes on a regular basis without knowing it. I would feel the same way if the Obama mansion was raided.
     
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    Ok prove your work who did he show? And do Biden's lawyers have clearance since they found the first set of highly classified documents and informed fbi? His point is very f'ing clear any president could share classified material they saw or heard while in office, it's not and no one is accusing any former President of doing such.
     
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    Bill was getting multiple warnings and he fought it to the supreme court, hilary was under subpoena to turn over and she had the records bleach bitted and smashed cell phones, Obama said screw you and NA made his storage facility in Chicago an NA approved records site.
     
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    Did Trump tell his DOJ to go after Hil's after he was elected? Was Biden raided when all the Burisma/laptop stuff popped up?
     
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    I was really encouraged by that news. Even though appointed by Trump, this judge seems to be taking her historic responsibility seriously by getting things going. This case really ought to be decided before the republican primaries, and this is a step that could help make that possible.
     
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    But if what is being reported is actually true, the “raid” was warranted.

    It was originally reported that many of the docs he had were related to our military and their capabilities based on certain countries. Now if that is true, thats huge because 1. POTUS doesn't have a need for those 2. It was reported that he was showing these documents to people visiting the locations where they were at, to brag about them. 3. they were in a facility that the general public was not only allowed to be in, but were allowed to be there without supervision.

    And the number one for me was/is the hipocrisy from the rights “BUT HILLARYS SERVER” crowd, so thick that you couldn’t clear it with a nuclear bomb. The right spent 4 years screaming about Hillarys private email server that was “a potential security threat”, and those “6 potentially classified emails COULD have gotten out and those honorable men in our military could be harmed by that information getting out”………..cut to 2 weeks ago where we found out that TRUMP had literally boxes full of those exact documents, told the feds to F-OFF when they asked him to return them, and as is being reported, was personally showing them to people not cleared to see them (there is audio that is already in the public domain), is absolutely astounding.

    How can anyone on the right defend that after what they said/did in the Clinton case, and then actually try to defend this. They claimed she put the military at risk thru the “unsecured” server, and now Trump has the actual documents, unsecured, in a publicly accessible building, personally shows them to people without the clearance to see them, and you think THIS one is the witch hunt ?
     
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    Its literally in an audio recording !!!!!!!!!

    Bidens lawyers didnt find this, the FBI found them when they got the search warrant

    Why do you keep pushing the same old tired, already debunked theories, and not even know what hes being accused of and prosecuted for ?
     
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    Biden didn’t tell anyone to go after him. It was very well known that he had the documents at Mar-A-Lago. There was US Secret service in the build FFS.

    ahh…still with “the laptop”……
     
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    I would not want to have to defend either party on hypocrisy. Yes, that is what we are being told. That doesn't change how I view what they are doing. Its not good for the country. I felt the same way about how reps treated Bill for getting his snausage polished. Why not just have all lof us wear red or blue so we can throw rocks at each other! People are not on speaking terms with blood relatives over political crap.
     
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    I agree that we are divided. But lets be clear, the right has no one to blame DJT. It IS a cult of personality.

    Im all for letting the system do what it does and trust that it will be right. If he didnt do it, then a jury of his peers will say so.
     
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    Are you saying he innocent of what he’s been indicted for, or just that he should be above the law?
     
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    There was never a problem with Her Honor, quite the contrary she seems to be one of the few judges that understand that her role is to enable the court to litigate both the defendant and the prosecution's claims before the Court.. The issue, and the scary thing that doesn't involve Trump but all of us, is that the DOJ showed us their position regarding that even-scaled lady liberty: Screw that, we want your arm twisted in our favor. It's called 'justice' after all.

    No, it's justice perverted if a court serves as little more than rubber stamping the DOJ. And when those in judicial authority nod their heads before the government and the government's agent(which is what the DOJ is), the last veil of independence is removed.

    To me, all of her rulings on this have been fair to both sides. She understands she's a neutral arbiter, not a cheerleader. But today's DOJ doesn't need a fair and neutral arbiter, it needs a cheerleader.
     
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    Jack Smith is a vile crook.

    Illegal Spying By Corrupt DOJ's Hit Squad

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    Spying Scum.

    "Scummy" 'Smith and his prosecutorial team were previously sanctioned in the case of former Rep. Rick Renzi, who revealed details of the numerous illegal wiretaps of his attorney by the prosecutorial team Smith oversaw.'

    'Smith et al., were sanctioned three times, Renzi said. “The first is, they illegally wiretapped my attorney 41 times, they lied to the court that they did that, and they did it in order to try and pierce the attorney-client privilege using the crime-fraud exception, the same thing that they’re us[ing] now on President Trump.”'

    'Evidence was thus found that a member of the government prosecutorial team under Smith not only illegally wiretapped Renzi’s attorney a stunning 41 times, but they first lied about their actions and then tried to weaponize the evidence'
     
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    That is far from correct. Division was strong before trump and was a main factor in him being elected. He merely exploited the division that already existed. I keep hearing the term "cult" when describing his supporters. That term is used to demonize those with opposing beliefs. If you see division as a problem, take the time to understand others and respect their right to their beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, just understand.

    Can you at least understand why many do not want illegal aliens pouring into the country?
     
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    I am certain he will be found guilty of something. Even a blind squirrel will find a nut if he never quits.
     
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    Apparently, there was a LOT of trepedation of how to handle the Mango Mussolini in issues around 1/6 well before Smith was assigned..

    SNIP
    Whether a decision about Trump’s culpability for Jan. 6 could have come any earlier is unclear. The delays in examining that question began before Garland was even confirmed. Sherwin, senior Justice Department officials and Paul Abbate, the top deputy to FBI Director Christopher A. Wray, quashed a plan by prosecutors in the U.S. attorney’s office to directly investigate Trump associates for any links to the riot, deeming it premature, according to five individuals familiar with the decision. Instead, they insisted on a methodical approach — focusing first on rioters and going up the ladder.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...-probe-into-trumps-role-jan-6-more-than-year/

    Seems the DOJ can't walk (focus on rioters) AND chew gum (go after ringleaders) at the same time.

    We all suspected the DOJ was dropping the ball on 1/6. but they weren't even playing the game.

    Bad deal here...
     

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