10 things debunkers can never ever explain

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, it just burns very quick and hot.
     
  2. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    I think you're wrong. What it actually does when it touches a solid object is more of a burst rather than an explosion indeed. It has a tendency to shoot itself sideways, to spread small quantities in all directions at the touch of an object, just as you see here:

    [video=youtube;M3ZkoNF2ybg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ZkoNF2ybg[/video]​

    Now tell me whether this is different than what you see above:

    [video=youtube;LivXaOguXRA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivXaOguXRA[/video]

    There is no reason for these reactions to happen if it was molten aluminium or steel. They should just slide along the even columns.

    THERE ARE NO OBSTACLES AND NO REASONS FOR ALUMINIUM OR STEEL TO BEHAVE LIKE THAT AGAINST THE EVEN COLUMNS...

    You can clearly see the joints (the places where segments of the facade are joined together) and one of the reactions happens between them... So it means it didn't even meet an irregularity or whatever. You probably are like many who forget how big those building were and how remote the cameras were. These seemingly small bursts have a radius the size of a car/truck.
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    This stupidity never ends does it?

    OK...first of all....over 99% of those 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists abandoned THERMITE after the calculations upon the amount of Kinetic Energy that was involved when those aircraft struck the towers.....and they then decided to go with NANO-THERMITE.

    REASON?

    Because Conspiracy Theorists...some with fairly prominent degrees...realized the amount of thermite they were stating was used would leave more than enough residue and particulates that a person 10 miles away down wind could determine Thermite was used.

    Because of what I do I can tell you Nano-Thermite is NASTY STUFF....and NOT SOMETHING TO PLAY WITH!!!

    Also there does not and never has existed an amount of Nano-Thermite as Conspiracy Theorist state was used during 9/11.

    Nano-Thermite works almost upon an ATOMIC LEVEL and when used and depending upon how much used a building would after being destroyed using Nano-Thermite exist in less DEBRIS MASS...as a large percentage of the building would turn into a gas.

    The FACTS are this....the amount of HEAT generated by those two fully loaded with jet fuel aircraft impacting the towers at the velocities they did is MORE THAN ENOUGH HEAT...to melt any supports.

    AboveAlpha
     
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  5. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Why is it important what others said?

    Which is exactly what you see here:

    [video=youtube;Y7DqWLSkzIU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7DqWLSkzIU&list=FLZ-WQxZFOYjggN3AyaONMXQ[/video]
    The FACTS are this... The fact still remains that you can not explain the bursts that we see on the even columns.
     
  6. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    You "think"? You mean you aren't "positive"?

    Kind of like in this video:
    http://private.discoveryaccess.com/media/clip/80804455_017.do

    You mean there are no joints for the aluminum cladding on the perimeter columns? What about the windows? No "uneven" surfaces there huh? I suggest you look into this a little further...
     
  7. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Interesting video but they fall perpendicularly onto a floor not a wall. In my video you see that fall ALONGSIDE the building rather than perpendicularly onto it. But anyway, you might be right since such substances aren't identifiable by observation alone.
     
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    But what if the trajectory had a slight arc to it and it impacted the side? What about the "uneven" parts around the windows that created slight small "ledges"? What about the seams of the aluminum cladding on the perimeter columns? What if there was moisture that the substance came into contact with (flashing?).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_explosion

    But anyway, you might be right since such substances aren't identifiable by observation alone.[/QUOTE]
     
  9. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Just a question Vlad. When you say "it" above as in:

    ...or...

    ...what exactly is your idea of what "it" actually is?

    "Blobs" of thermite that are burning currently and then flares up? Molten iron as the by product of the thermite?
     
  10. AboveAlpha

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    Two things.

    #1. The bursts are air explosively escaping air tight WTC floors as others collapse atop of them.

    #2. Any explosions previous to the WTC Towers Collapse, Fall and Impacts....such explosions as say....NANO-THERMITE being detonated....would be easily detected by seismographs.

    There were no such explosions detected.

    If I detonate a single stick of dynamite in the top floor of any building even buildings taller that the WTC Towers...such a detonation registers and is detected by seismographs run by the U.S. GS.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Given that the "collapse" event of the building would have caused a
    disturbance big enough to be recorded on seismographs, exactly how
    would one go about sorting out what was caused by explosives, and
    what was caused by the collision of parts of the building with other parts.
     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    Simple.

    Everything from the crash to collapsing floors to people jumping out of windows and hitting the street to avoid being burned to death is registered on seismographs.

    If demolitions were used whether all at the same time or one floor at a time....such explosions would register upon the seismographs.

    Many Conspiracy Theorists looked into data of U.S.G.S. Seismographs all by themselves only to find this data was contrary to the Conspiracy they were attempting to prove existed.

    It does not.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    "people jumping out of windows and hitting the street ..... registered on seismographs"

    Where did you get this bit of info?

    Also the seismographic record is just lines on paper, the data requires
    interpretation, at present, I can find scientists who will state that the
    seismic record clearly indicates controlled demolition.
    and yes there are scientists who will state that the seismic record
    clearly indicates a 'natural' collapse.

    So Joe the plumber down here at street level, still doesn't
    know what experts to trust. How does one sort it out?
     
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    U.S.G.S. seismographs are sensitive enough to register a Gas Explosion half way around the world and register and can show when LARGE TRUCKS are moving in an area....a Human Body falling and impacting from such a high altitude shows up on U.S.G.S. seismographs.

    This is a PERFECTED SCIENCE and we know what is what and what is not.

    If demolitions were used they would have easily and dramatically registered upon U.S.G.S. seismographs.

    You can Google the U.S.G.S. data yourself.

    This brings to a conclusion this Topic.

    AboveAlpha
     
  15. genericBob

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    so, it wasn't controlled demolition
    because you said it wasn't and that is that..........

    Thank you ever so much.
     
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    Your Welcome.

    AboveAlpha
     
  17. genericBob

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    Have you seen this http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~mwest/papers/WTC_LDEO_KIM.pdf
    Check out the last two pages of this document and tell me that in the seismic recording
    you can point to the event that marks a person falling to the street from the WTC tower?
    There is a background noise level in any recording of this sort, and it is composed of
    all of the events within range of the recording device. Big events like the explosions that
    brought down the towers, these show up, but a single body hitting the ground?

    lets get real here, the official story is a LIE.
     
  18. Soupnazi

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    Not missed.

    Deliberately avoided.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe because there is no evideence of it and the claim is absurd
     
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    The claim is not absurd and there is sufficient evidence to conclude CD.
     
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    The claim is absurd and no speck of evidence even suggests it.
     
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    The evidence is abundant, the fact that you don't recognize it.....
    well that is your business.
     
  23. Soupnazi

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    It is non existent.

    All through these many threads every attempt to claim some evidence has been shredded and destroyed. That is not opinion or recognition or lack of recognition it is fact.

    The claim is also absurd.

    Scores if not hundreds of men working thousands of hours using tons of explosives and related gear would have been necessary to accomplish such a demo. Not possible to this undetected and no one ever saw any thing remotely indentifiable as this kind of work in buildings occupied 24/7

    Even the very idea of crashing a plane AND demolishing a building with explosives combined is loopy. No need for both.
     
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    Like I said, you don't recognize the evidence,
    Your loss

    there were NO radical Jhadists hijacking airliners,
    where is the proof of airliners having been used as weapons?
     
  25. Soupnazi

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    Like I said it is fact none has ever been produced.

    That is fact not recognition or lack there of.

    Every attempt by every kid with a theory to claim evidence has been wrecked and flushed and proven false. You know that fact to be true as well you just hate it and cannot refute it.

    Yes there were and the world saw it happen on TV.

    Did the general population of NY who saw it happen imagine it? No.
     

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