12yr. old shot by police in Cleveland (another toy gun)....

This is not about race. this is about a dead child killed by an adult that was hired to protect and serve that same child.

This is about bad policing.

 

The price is too high... and any who think otherwise are the real ones with the problem.

It's bad policing plain and simple!

 

Keeping it simple and omitting facts are not the same.

The cop WAS an adult, I assume most are. Cops are trained to deescalate a situation before using lethal force. When he told the kid to put his hands in the air, that is what he was trying to do.

The victim WAS a kid who was told by cops to put his hands in the air. Instead of doing that he reached for his waistband and pulled out what looked very much like a gun, thus escalating the situation.

The cop responded as they were trained to do when ANYONE pulls a gun on them and the shot him.

Now please tell me how the burden of a peaceful resolution falls on the cop who has what looked to be a gun pulled on him?
What could the cop have done differently, thinking that a gun has just been pulled on him and his life may now be in danger.

 

I was implying that kids are kids. Kids to stupid things. Kids shouldn't have to be killed for doing stupid things.

What I didn't mention that I can't think of anything in this world that would make me kill a kid to save my own life.

 

Police officers train to shoot to kill, not wound. They may not get another chance if they don't. I have to wonder if the kid was mentally ill? I remember being 12 and I know I would dropped the gun in a heart beat if 2 cops pointing guns at me told me to. Not sure why this kid did not. Or why he hesitated. This killing was a tragedy, but the police were only following their training. Blame the training.

 

I'll discuss the topic any way I choose as there is no formula that is required.

My take on this topic is that there was bad policing involved.

My take on this topic is that it is cruel, insensitive, and downright ignorant to hold a 12 year old child responsible for his own death at the hands of an adult police officer!

If you don't want to be responded too ... DON'T RESPOND in the first place!

 

I really wish you would just clearly state your point and then elaborate on it instead of leaving me to guess why you are so upset.
But from what I've gathered, this is your POV:

Because the gun was fake and the victim was a child the cop should not have shot him.
Because A and B, therefore premise C.

Is this your argument?

 

A "toy" that is indistinguishable from the real thing.

It's a tragic story, but it's the kids fault.

 

Kids DO get killed for doing stupid things though. Stupid preventable things. That is why it is our jobs as parents to teach our kids to look both ways before crossing the street, don't get in cars with strangers, and don't point guns at people.

I have a family to feed and support. I will think of them first before I think of the kid pulling a gun on me.

 

Watch the video they released. The cops gave the kid all of a second to respond. And he didn't pull the gun from his wasteband. He already had it out. he was playing with it.

 

It is exactly what I have been talking about from the moment I entered this thread.

Yes it is as I have never strayed from this point.

It's about a boy that got shot because of an adult police officers mistake. See this is where the ignorance and insensitivity comes in.

The adult went home that day the child went to the graveyard. The adult had more of the responsibility to find a peaceful resolution than the child. A child is dead and an adult cop killed him...

This is and remains about ignorance and insensitivity. Ignorance and insensitivity in policing is the point ... and has been from the beginning!

 

Right. So they didn't tell him to drop the gun. And if you watch the video he didn't pull out the gun. He already had it in his hand. he was playing with it. And the cops gave him less than a second to respond before they opened fire.

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/loca.../tamir-rice-shooting-video-released/19530745/


You're really going to defend that? Really?

 

Could you explain the resoning that you used to come to that conclusion?

The 911 caller did not indicate that there was any sort of problem that warranted the slaughter of a little kid.

 

The cops gave him no chance to do anything at all. He had the gun in his hand and he was playing with it. Cops pulled up and though you can't hear the audio the cops shoot the boy within a second of stopping the car.

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/loca.../tamir-rice-shooting-video-released/19530745/

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Watch the video:
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/loca.../tamir-rice-shooting-video-released/19530745/

Cops shot the kid within a second of stopping their car. They did not tell the kid to do anything and if they did did not give him any chance whatsoever to respond.

 

The one here that doesn't know wtf they are talking about is you.

You don't know me, you don't know a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing about me other than your stupid assumptions based on your stupid mentality.

I have three children. All perfectly well adjusted, educated, loved, cared for and parented. Two currently in college and the other will be graduating high school (in the top 1% of her class if her next year's grades stay where they are) next year.

I would implicitly trust any of my children with handling of a firearm as they have been taught. I also am not worried that any of them will be so stupid as to be waving around a realistic looking toy in public, much less reach for it when a cop, with his firearm drawn and pointed at them, tells them to get their hands up.

For the sake of your little "what if" scenario (libs are always so full of those) "if" it were my 12 year old, I'd be flipping mad, downright upset and depressed...but not at the cop...at my own child for being so stupid. There would be many questions, there would be much grief, but if my kid reached for a "gun" when a cop told him to raise his hands, even my own kid, I wouldn't expect the cop to react any differently.

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I'd tell it to you right to your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing face.

 

It's really hard to tell what exactly happened there, but it looks like they shot him as soon as soon they got there. This certainly could change my opinion on the matter. It seemed like he was minding his own business.

 

And none of those examples say that he "pulled a gun on the cops"

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What part of HE DIDN'T PULL A GUN ON A COP do you refuse to understand??

 

I suggest you listen to the call again then. You dont call 911 if there isnt a concern.

 

However after looking at the security footage I will not conclusively say that the cop was in the right as it would not appear there was enough time given to the boy to comply with any officer's orders given.

 

I don't refuse to understand anything. It is my understanding now that the gun was already drawn.

 

Questions for the plethora of leftist authoritarians in the forum who think this killing was justified.....

If a cop draws a weapon should it be legal to shoot them? Why, or why not?

If a civilian child draws a fake weapon should it be legal to shoot them? Why or why not?

Please explain.

 

What I want to know is why the cops thought it was a good idea to drive right up to the "gunman" within 3 feet of the kid if they thought he had a gun?

How is that a smart thing to do? Wouldn't this have ended better if they stopped a good distance away, setup cover and opened dialogue with the gunman?

Not to mention Ohio is a open carry state. Is this how the cops are trained to react to anyone practicing their right to open carry?

 

Where in open carry laws does it state you can run around and point a gun at people?