22 Israelis murdered 180 wounded during the last two months

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel kicked out hundreds of thousands of Arabs during the 1948 war and the 1967 war.

    and they kicked out tens of thousands more in 1949.

    this was an act of ethnic cleansing.

    Israel has also stripped thousands of Palestinians of their Permanent Residency status in East Jerusalem.
     
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    " Sweetie???" Relax, & spend more time reading up on "Plan Dalet" etc if you want to know something about Israel and the murderous mentality of some of its terrorist Founders who headed Zionist terrorist gangs Irgun, stern, Haganah etc. That doesn't make all Jewish immigrants "Terrorists" either.

    Of the 38 signatories of Israel's Declaration of Independence, only 1 was from the Region, the rest were foreign Invaders / Occupiers / Settlers etc from Europe etc.

    I'm not sure where you get your glaring misconceptions about the realities of the Mid East and / or the Islamic world but "they" missed an excellent chance at "aggressively ethnically cleansing" me while I was walking, hitch-hiking, etc throughout Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran* etc etc for 10 - 11 months. I'd heard the same, tiresome "Evil-Muslim-Terrorist" nonsense that saturates Major Western Media too but wanted to find out how evil those Demonic Muslims really were so I went there to see for myself.

    Briefly put, I was only treated with generosity, kindness & unconditional hospitality throughout the towns, villages, desert etc in spite of looking very American. They liked America, its people, movies, cars etc etc but the question I was most frequently asked was:
    "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?" (Re: our unconditional support for any Israeli atrocity, war crime, etc.)
    I tried to explain the toxic influence of AIPAC etc on US Government policy & the extreme, pro-Israel Major Media bias that has duped so many Americans but they still didn't understand

    Wherever I went, my Muslim hosts introduced me to their friends, fed & sheltered me, showed me archeological sites rarely seen & helped me learn the language etc.

    (*) Iranians, by the way, are not "Arabs"

    This is the "20-foot tall martian...." you were talking about:

    "ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels...estine/5326140
    EXCERPT “On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.”CONTINUED

    Just as an American doesn't like the current ruling Government, doesn't mean they're "Anti American, Opposing criminal Israeli policies & its current ruling Regime doesn't make one "anti Israeli" (or a "Self-Hating Jew")

    In spite of the many ethical, courageous & peaceful Israelis, there is a dangerous, ultra Nationalist, Right Wing Extremism that is not in Israel's long term best interests & certainly not in America's best interests .

    It doesn't matter if an Israeli leader/politician is in a different position, it's a self-destructive Right Wing, Extremist trend that is growing in Israeli government.

    “Op-Ed: Israeli Deputy Speaker calls for ethnic cleansing of Gaza”

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...leansing-of-gaza/article/392650#ixzz3rO9NImd7

    EXCERPT "Sadly, Feiglin isn't the only prominent Israeli official to advocate accelerating the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Earlier this month, far-right Knesset member Ayelet Shaked posted a bloodthirsty call for the extermination of the Palestinian people, "including its elderly women, its cities and its villages" (shades of '48 again), on her Facebook wall. She got more than 5,000 "likes." CONTINUED

    Those 5,000 "Likes" are an example of the dangerous trend I mentioned.
     
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    No they didn't, and you should know better. There was a war going on, and they had no where near the manpower in terms of fighters to even try.

    Mostly for committing acts or supporting those who have committed acts of terrorism.
     
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    Don't have to read anything. Go look up the list of plans in the pentagon, there's probably 8 billion of them for every possible contingency, including nuking the russians. Does that mean because they war gamed for that scenario, the US is now going to attack russia? Spare us the nonsense already.

    Those founders used violence to stop other early israelis from attacking civilians, and how long ago did the Irgun exist, 75 years ago? Keep flailing away.

    Half of israel today are jews ethnically cleansed from arab nations, but of course jewhating filth won't mention that.

    Good for you honey, but I am FROM the mideast.

    Congratulations on your important tidbit/factoid of knowledge there, did it come from a cereal box? Loudly proclaiming that is one of the major clues a person has no real knowledge of the mideast, just fragments and surface-level information off the web.

    Shows how little you know. The international community, as in the UN, voted to support the partition plan where the jews would have a homeland of their own.

    Sometimes, if I think a poster is worth it I'll get into a conversation about various scenarios like if the Israelis left the west bank tomorrow, yet terrorism continued what should the israelis do, but I'd have to believe the poster was of good will to do so, and you are clearly anti-semitic and not worth my time. Your juvenile, one-sided and relentless out of context attacks on Israel while exonerating the arabs muslims despite centuries of murder and terrorism against all other minorities in the mideast is a sign of your total lack of credibility on the subject. I am no longer interested in continuing this conversation; you are welcome to continue parroting jewwatch and your various hate sites of choice.
     
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    the Zionist forces planned to force as many Arabs out of Israel as they possibly could, and they did.

    it was called Plan Dalet and it was very successful. They even continued forcing out Arabs after the war ended

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    no, simply because they failed to return to Israel after traveling to Jordan or some other country, within a certain time frame.

    israel has no right to remove a Palestinians right to live in his land that Israel occupies. But they are doing just that and its illegal.
     
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    Amazing how the anti jews argue that, on one hand, the jews only were 1/4 of the population there when convenient, but then turn around and argue how those few jews were able to scare off 1 million arab muslims, and somehow keep them from returning. Those early Israelis must have been what, 18-feet tall and incredibly powerful!

    Except the plan was just that, a plan for a specific contingency, which was not implemented. Just an FYI, when wars happen, civilian populations get uprooted, like 50 million during WW2.

    Go whine to your arab muslim friends that had they not started the '48 war, there wouldn't have been any refugees.
     
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    So successful that a quarter of Israelis are Palestinian Arabs. Pretty shoddy record for a nuclear armed and modern equipped-armed to the teeth nation intent on getting rid of every Arab they can.
     
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    I already did. Please re-read my comments.
     
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    I already responded to your claims with sources and links that reinforce my claims.

    All the people you relied on (Feiglin, Ben Ami etc) are not in the Knesset nor in the government, hence their positions are not reflect the government views.

    I already responded to your claims about the D.I.M.E bombs, weapons testing on "humen guinea pigs" etc. Please re-read my comments. I dont see the point why you are ignoring what I already wrote to you, and instead of repliyng to them you keep repeating the same thing that was already been replied to.
     
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    If the Arabs in the West Bank want to live in Israel as Israeli citizens, they can do that and I'm not against it, like the world should not be against Israelies living in the West Bank in their cities.
     
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    in 1948, there were 800,000 Arabs in Israel.

    in 1949, there were 200,000 left.

    looks like Plan Dalet was pretty damn successfull.

    the Zionists were the experts at ethnic cleansing

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    constantly posting links and telling folks to "re-read my comments", isnt a contribution, its just spam
     
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    Time Magazine, May 3, 1948, page 25:
    General John Glubb "Pasha," The London Daily Mail, August 12, 1948:
    Emile Ghoury, secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph September 6, 1948. (same appeared in The London Telegraph, August 1948 ):
    A book by Barry Shaw he qouted Near East Arabic broadcasting station, Cyprus, April 3, 1949:
    Haifa district HQ of the British Police, April 26, 1949:
    The Beirut Muslim Weekly "Kul-Shay", August 19, 1949:
    Khaled Al Azam, former Syrian prime minister, wrote in his book:
    Source: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/comments/22379


    Not really. It is an avoidnace of repeating myself, by direct you to the already existing comment that I already replied to such claims.
     
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    Some of Arab leaders taking orders from Zionists.
     
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    meanwhile many Israeli leaders and historians admit that the Zionists had plans to force out as many Arabs as they could, and were very successful at it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet#Execution

    Destruction of villages (setting fire to, blowing up, and planting mines in the debris), especially those population centers which are difficult to control continuously.
    Mounting search and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village and conducting a search inside it. In the event of resistance, the armed force must be destroyed and the population must be expelled outside the borders of the state.
     
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    And to be a Zionist, which is a man or a woman that support of the creation of a state for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, is wrong?
     
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    was it wrong to be a member of the Gestapo?
     
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    The objective of Plan Dalet was:
    Source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Plan_Dalet.html

    As you can see the plan was to gain control of areas of the Hebrew state and to DEFEND it's borders + gaining control of areas of Jewish settlements outside it's borders.

    Where do you anywhere in Plan Dalet's objective the word "expulsion"?

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    So are you against the creation of the state of Israel? Because by been against Zionism, which is an inspiration of the creation of a state for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, it means you are against a state for the Jewish people.
     
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    i quoted the actual text of Plan Dalet.
     
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    You gave a source of a website that every kid can write in it (Wiki), while I gavew the actual text.
     
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    "Counterattacks will generally proceed as follows: a force the size of a battalion, on average, will carry out a deep infiltration and will launch concentrated attacks against population centers and enemy bases with the aim of destroying them along with the enemy force positioned there."
     
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    What's wrong is, some of the said Arab leaders who called Palestinians to leave are working for the sake of the Israel's agendas, not for their fellow Arabs'.
     
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    denying that the zionists forced out hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Israel, is no different than Holocaust denial
     
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    So during the Independece war, that started in 1947 the Arab leaders that called for the "Palestinians" to leave right in the begining (like during it) of the war (1947) were wroking for Israel's agenda, even tough there was no a state of Israel in 1947?
     
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    what is more likely to get you to leave, some Arab leader saying over the radio "leave and we will be victorious" or thousands of zionist soldiers with tanks and guns pointed at your brain?
     
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    From your source: "Generally speaking, the terrorists have not been operatives of any established terrorist organization, and the current wave of terrorism has not been directed by any organization, but rather is directly inspired by the intensive incitement accompanying it." That sounds like they are calling garden variety criminal violence terrorism IMO.
     
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