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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is, is it possible to speak Russian here? ... In spite of the forum's "official language" being English, that is.

    I might like to practice a bit :rolleyes:
     
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    Why chat in a dying language ?
     
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    Congrats, ray! you f ed up again ;)

    It is the most geographically widespread language of Eurasia and the most widely spoken of the Slavic languages. It is also the largest native language in Europe, with 144 million native speakers in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Russian is the 8th most spoken language in the world by number of native speakers and the 4th by total number of speakers.The language is one of the six official languages of the United Nations.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language

    RTFM, ray. at least read the f .... wikipedia;)
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    From what I know it's forbidden to use any other lang but English over here...most likely mods will tolerate it more on off-topic section.
     
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    Why not? Most of the right wingers in here have Russian as a first language!
     
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    Ray never makes mistakes . Watch and learn
    The national language in Ukraine is Ukrainian .
    In Belarus , Russian is only semi official -- Bellrussian is the shared official language .
    The Russian population is much smaller than Russia would have you believe . Some experts have it as low as 90 million but the one thing we do know is that Russia has never issued an official figure for anything , but football scores , that is honest and true .
    Regardless , the fertility rate is so low that there is no way that Russia can sustain itself .
    It is dying on its feet and there are several reasons why this is the case -- and I am sure we all know them .Think Drugs , Alcohol and wars -- to keep it simple .
    So think again young man and bow .

    Clue : The real alternative to Wiki is being clever , doing your own research and thinking . rofl
     
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    most part of ukranian and belarusian ppl are really russian speakers.

    Ok old boy, you have any proof of this?:cool:
     
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    Yeah, Ukraine is a mix, and I understand that the farther East you go in that country, the more Russian it gets. I was there briefly in 2010 for a study abroad-related trip, and you can certainly get by using Russian in Kiev and Odessa as well.
     
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    Take care better of Pom's country which will speaks Arabic already in thirty years.The Russian Language is one of the World Languages.
     
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    This pic made me think of you raymondo
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    I reminded you of the Official languages spoken in Ukraine and Belarus . My point is therefore made . That some people speak Russian in both countries is something I am , of course , fully aware of and in detail . But it is as relevant to this discussion as the number who speak Hongo Pongo Bongo -- also of zero relevance .
    I had the population numbers discussion three years ago and cannot immediately find the required file -- a near photographic memory means my personal filing system is useless .However I reproduce a Post from a friend of mine which has huge bearing on the general proposition , but which , unfortunately , has no direct bearing on population data . However , the moment I have free time I will do some searching :-

    ( English is far from perfect but more than sufficient to understand the narrative )
    A former director of the Institute of Statistics Simchera Basil, saying: "I'm tired of lying!" Presented real data
    We have somehow come to terms with the fact that the official (in the face of Federal State Statistics Service and other agencies), statistics, records the "achievements" of Russia, we have to put it mildly, not always telling the truth. Sometimes stretching the truth. To put it mildly. Well, well, survive. Especially since you-we have long been around us appreciate life to its measure. But she lied to the way it has recently revealed the former director of the Institute of Statistics of the Federal State Statistics Service Simchera Basil? This is, to put it mildly, too. As he sang once Vysotsky:
    If it is true ... it is -
    Well, at least a third -
    Only one thing:
    Just go to die!
    Between Mr. Simchera and State Duma deputy from the Communist Party Oleg Smolin has recently occurred skirmish. It happened that they both became members of the conference at the Russian State Trade-Economic University. So, the former head of the Institute of Statistics showed the claim to Mr. Smolin as a representative of the government (after all, the deputy, deputy chairman of the Duma Committee on Education): that the power of shamelessly lying to us. Mr. Sam Simchera emphasizes Smolin, resigned, saying: "I'm tired of lying!". And presented his statistical picture of what actually happened and is happening in Russia. These terrifying - like Vladimir Vysotsky.
    In rejecting his claim, as a government representative, address, Smolin writes: "Of course I remember from my youth formula is a lie, there is a blatant lie, and there are statistics! Of course, he has repeatedly used the alternative sociological data services and institutions of the Russian Academy of Sciences. And yet, these ex-Director of the Institute of Statistics, summarized in a table entitled "Dual estimation of the main indicators of the Russian economy in 2001-2010." Produce shocking. " Smolin presented them with his comments on the pages of "Soviet Russia". So - that's a terrible picture of the degradation of our country in the "dry" is not someone calculations, and repeat, until recently - Director of the Institute of Statistics Rosstat:
    The national wealth of Russia.
    Official: $ 4.0 trillion. In fact (according to the Institute of Statistics Goskomstat of Russia): $ 40 trillion. Underreporting of 10, commented Smolin, authorities need to sell for a pittance oligarchs and foreign remnants of the former public property, and at the same time grind the people that we do not live worse than working.
    Size of intellectual capital.
    Official: $ 1,500,000,000,000. In fact, $ 25 trillion. Understatement of the intellectual capital of Russia almost 17 times, according to Smolin, is helping the authorities to justify a course of copying the worst specimens of foreign education, and - for the import of huge amounts of money for foreign scientists support their meager.
    The share of investment in% of GDP.
    Officially: 18.5%. In fact: 12.2%. Overstatement and a half times investment in the economy creates a false picture of prosperity continues to Smolin. In fact, the country's economy is dominated by the principle of "buy-sell-stealing."
    The rate of growth of GDP.
    Official: 6%. In fact, 4%. "Puffing" and a half times the GDP growth rate, the government is trying to convince the public that it announced a doubling in 2003-2010. could take place, if not the global crisis. In fact, says Smolin, in 2003-2008. economy grew by only a quarter, and in crisis 2009, we were champions fall among the "Big Twenty"! As for GDP, it says sarcastically MP, it seems, is not going to double or even upyaterit, but not in terms of gross domestic product, and Vladimir Putin's two terms as president, a prime minister and again two presidential elections, equal duration of the previous three .
    Inflation in an average year.
    Official: 6-8%. In fact: 18.27%. It has long been known to comment on Smolin that the rise in prices of essential commodities in Russia is much faster than the average for all goods and services. Therefore, the inflation for the poor (social inflation) is much higher than for the rich. And the poorer the family, the more rapidly rising prices for goods that it buys. How to explain the ex-director of the Institute of Statistics, 18% a year price increase was for those goods and services that are buying the poorest citizens. It is therefore not surprising that even the government recognizes almost every year growing gap between rich and poor. Institute of Statistics data indicate in particular that the so-called vaunted author
     
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    ities. increase of pensions in 2009-2010. at best, offset the rise in prices of essential commodities in two years.
    The gap in incomes of the richest 10% and 10% of the poorest.
    Official: 16 times. In fact: 28-36 times. This is not only higher than in Western Europe and Japan, not only U.S. but also many countries in Latin America, says Smolin. The maximum allowable level of national security, according to the director of the Institute of Social and Political Studies G.Osipova is 10 times. In Russia it is exceeded three times.
    The gap in the level of gross domestic product by region.
    Official: 14 times. In fact, 42 times. In social terms, Russia has long ceased to be a united country, says Smolin. If Moscow is living at the level of the Czech Republic, the Republic of Tuva - at the level of Mongolia. The federal government throws in the regions, more and more social obligations and simultaneously pull them out of more money to invest in foreign securities. Due to the poverty of the Russian province is actually funded, in particular, the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, and partly - and in Libya. Article 114 of the Russian Constitution requires the government to pursue a common social policy throughout the country. Performed by the government duties, when the gaps in regional development exceeds ten times, up to you, the reader is drawn to Smolin.
    Percentage of population belonging to a social underclass, as% of total population. Official: 1.5%. In fact, 45%. According to the Institute of Statistics (Rosstat), the country's 12 million alcoholics, more than 4.5 million drug addicts, more than one million homeless children. Not surprisingly, the official figures are underestimated by 30 times: almost half of the underclass in the richest country - witness the complete failure of the economic and social policy regime.
    The share of unprofitable enterprises.
    Official: 8%. In fact, 40%. In modern physical indicators Russia's economy is hopelessly behind the Soviet, and the taxes on the real sector, in contrast to taxes on personal income billionaires, huge, commented Smolin.
    The level of total tax revenues received in%.
    Official: 45%. In fact, 90%. It's amazing how we are doing, and why the oligarchs are still missing? However, said Oleg Smolin, partly explains the following figure.
    The level of tax evasion, as a% of revenues.
    Official: 30%. In fact, 80%. Power, says Smolin, pretends that collects taxes, and citizens pretend that they are paying!
    Depreciation of fixed assets, in%.
    Officially: 48.8%. In fact: 75.4%. If God wants to punish a person takes the mind, says Smolin. It seems that the Russian government has already happened. What could be joining the World Trade Organization (WTO), when depreciation of fixed assets is 3/4? For the export of raw materials WTO is not required, but Russia has exported more than nothing. Remains of domestic production will be finished off. A complete master of the country will become transnational capital. However, why be?
    The share of foreign capital in the economy of Russia, in%.
    In general - officially 20%. In fact, 75%, including:
    - In the property. Official: 25%. In fact, 60%;
    - In the profits. Official: 21%. In fact, 70%;
    - In the shares. Official: 18%. In fact, 90%.
    "This, gentlemen, - asks Smolin - your sovereign democracy? If the data are correct Research Institute of Statistics, in economic terms, we turn to the colony to the loud cries of getting up from his knees! ".
    In the grant - officially 14%. In fact, 90%. Funny, Smolin says that the government is very afraid of foreign grants, but quietly taking foreign loans and encourages foreigners to sell our businesses!
    The real cost of modernization, in billions of rubles.
    Official: 750. In fact, 30. Could it be that the real cost of upgrading to 25 times lower than announced, our growing technological gap, and all its "steam" out of "the whistle"?
    The effectiveness of modernization, in% to the cost.
    Official: 25%. In fact 2.5%. Another would be: in order to justify "inflated" costs, Smolin writes, to show "inflated" results. If you multiply one another, the effect turns out to be embellished by about 250 times! However, before it was clear that all the fuss is about modernization - a beautiful display cases, instead of the great buildings.
    The difference between the prices of producers and retail prices, times.
    Official: 1.5. In fact: 3.2, including:
    - In agriculture. Confirmed: 1.3. In fact, 4.0. The mediators 'fatten' employees and customers fall into poverty, and power, like Verka Serduchka, repeating: "Well, all is well! ..";
    - In public procurement. Confirmed: 1.1. In fact: 1.6. And here is clearly "fatten" the officials. It is no accident, even President Dmitry Medvedev said that the application of the law number 94 (PPL) from the budget has been looted of about 1 trillion rubles.
    The difference between appointed and paid by the tariffs of natural monopolies, in times.
    Confirmed: 1.1. In fact: 1.7, including in utility payments. Confirmed: 1.2. In fact: 2.4. If the "communal" paid at reasonable prices, Smolin says, it would cost us half the price!
    Unemployment rate,% of employment.
    Official: 2-3%. In fact: 10-12%. Throughout the world, not all unemployed people registered at the labor exchange. And so there is a difference between official statistics and the statistics of the International Labour Organization. However, that this difference was 4-5 times, you need to properly rig the stats!
    The number of crimes committed (2009), in millions of people.
    Officially, 3.0. In fact: 4.8. Apparently, we are talking about almost 2 million crimes are reported, but official statistics do not fall in a strange way, says Smolin. However, much more important crimes that are either not registered, or those that people do not apply to law enforcement. According to scientists of research institutes of the Academy of General Prosecutor's Office, led by Professor S.Inshakova, the number of such crimes is almost 10 times higher than official statistics records - about 26 million a year.
    To survive, Oleg Smolin concludes, the government turns a statistic in a brazen lie, and with the help of citizens trying to pulled "rose-colored glasses." But in the history of political regimes is repeatedly dying from self-poisoning propaganda. I am not sorry for the regime, says the MP. Too bad the country. But for her the best medicine - really.
     
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    Ray thank you very much for this report. I know that our statistics mostly sucks. Also Oleg Smolin’s definitely a good and very competent person. I completely agree with his statement. But what about

    Proof Ray. Did you make your own research yet?;)
     
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