329,445 Abortions---$487,400,000.00 Taxpayer Dollars---Planned Parenthood

It isn't racist to state facts. It is racist to say that black women can be lured into PP clinics with freebies, much like a child with candy, and then brainwashed and convinced to have abortions when they didn't even want them! How much credit are you giving black women with your "theory"?

 

Black women have more unplanned pregnancies probably because they live in poorer neighbourhoods and have limited access to healthcare and contraceptives.

But don't let the facts stand in your way.

 

and don't let the fact that YOU didn't make the racist post and I didn't ask you to answer for the racist post stand in YOUR way.

Can no prodeath person stand on their own?

Planned Unparenthood's "mission" is to provide birth control to those 'poorer neighborhoods'...and if the poorer black women have access to the abortion services of PP then they have access to the supposed birth control that PP offers, wouldn't they?

 

Pointing out statistical facts is not racist. Only how you interpret those facts can be racist (such as your example implying that black women are too stupid to decide about their reproduction, thus they must be manipulated by PP).

 

Your logic is flawed. They wouldn't be forced to cut back on abortions. They would be forced to cut back on all the services that the federal money goes to fund. Abortions are privately funded. They would continue unabated regardless of federal funding. The things they would be forced to cut back on is everything else.

 

IF they are unwilling to use some of their precious 'special set aside, no TOUCHY the tax money, must use THIS money to KILL Black babies!' money to fund the other programs, we would know where their priorities lie then wouldnt' we?

then the prodeath people wouldn't be able to try this completely illogical argument of "I'll give tax money to fund this organization, pay for it's building (where the abortions are being held), pay for the utilities (which the abortionists use), pay its millionaire directors (who promote abortions), pay for medicines (that women that have abortions use), pay for its lobbying and advertising (promoting abortion) but NONE of it will be for the actual ACT of ripping legs and arms off infants and throwing the remains in the garbage"

it's total bullhockey, you know it, I know it...we ALL know it. IF they are so wealthy they can afford to pay million dollar salaries, have over a billion in assets, then they can run without my money.

you can not seperate the money like that...it is simply not logical at all. I am FULLY aware you have slick willy lawyers and accountants that will *wink wink* show the figures on the books as "Oh look, this $10 went to some little girl to buy bandaids" but that does not mean that that $10 did not SUPPORT THAT ORGANIZATION. You can NOT trace that particular $10 bill back to my paycheck!

I dont' give a rip how many accounting rabbits you pull out of your hat, I do not support Sangers racist, kill black babies, bloody organization.

and the government shouldn't force me to.

 

yeah, well I didn't see any factual statistics in Cady's post EITHER, she just plopped out there completely unfounded (by her OWN admission) opinion, that Black women have more unwanted pregnancies.

she was stating her OPINION, unbacked by any 'facts'.

Sure, now that the chorus has jumped in giving her hints, she'll pop back up with "Oh here are the statistics I was referring to" but I KNOW what she said, I was there...and it doesn't MATTER to me what she says now, she's on my ignore list. I can put every prodeather but one on ignore, you all say the exact same thing, you quote the same talking points and when you DO stray off the reservation, as Cady did last night.....you know your little cadre will rush in to try to 'shout down' the objections and provide cover fire for her to scramble back to "oh I was just talking science"

I dont' believe it

Sanger's Planned Parenthood was FOUNDED to control the population of 'undesirables, Sanger was an admitted eugenics advocate. The lowest of the low. Racist to the core. And Planned Parenthood is STILL a racist, eugenic organization.

if facing that fact and finding yourself spouting racist comments makes you uncomfortable, good, maybe that should be a wake up call to rethink how you view your fellow man or woman.

 

You are spouting ignorance as usual. It seem you have no clue what Sanger stood for and are choosing talking points over facts. You also are equating eugenics with racism which is not. If you care to look it up you will see that a number of prominent figures were eugenicists and not because of sinister motives.

 

It is a common knowledge that black women have more abortions per capita that white women. What about a little googling? Read here:
http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2011/mar/14/rate-abortion-sparks-debate-black-community/

PP was indeed founded by an eugenics advocate, in that time eugenics was mainstream uncontroversial opinion. Its like complaining that Darwin was racist. You cannot judge historical figures by 21.st century standards.

Anyway, you have not provided a single fact to back up your unfounded assertion that PP is "STILL a racist, eugenic organization" now. Just wild speculations and conspiracy theories.

 

LOL

"ignorance! ignorance!"

do you KNOW any other words? don't you ever get tired of typing that over and over?

 

Cady didn't quote a scientific article, she stated an opinion, naked and plain. You can try to speak for her and explain it away all you want to...but the post stands on its on.

and it cracks me up that you want to claim that a hundred years is soooo long ago that we can't understand thru the mists of time what people thought and believed back in that ancient mysterious time....we have so little knowledge of that period, no records, no books...it is lost in antiquity...

oh SUUUCH drama...I stated a personal OPINION...my, but abortionists are sooo paranoid...

 

I call a spade a spade and you seem to be holding a flush all the time.

 

Actually you cut and paste stored insults when you have your ass handed to you in a debate, which is nearly every time you post.

 

If that were true you could show at least one instance where that happened.

 

They are everywhere you don't have to look far!

 

You are lying again. If you ever told that truth you could show where, but you have NEVER been able to support your lies.

 

Yeah right, yet I have decimated all of your arguments without trying hard at all.

 

Stop lying and claiming what does not exist. Show proof once for your assertion.

 

Stop lying and claiming what does not exist. Show proof once for your assertion.

 

I have, then you start denying that what is right in front of you exists. It is childish and silly, but its all you have.

 

No, you have not stopped lying or shown proof of your assertion which makes this post just one more lie.

 

Consider this, (Before hand i want to mention that i am not promoting any particular faith but this does ring true at least in my mind.)

"...the Catholic Church at the time said no, that won't be the case. Pope Paul VI issued Humanae Vitae in 1968. It looks like some of you might have been alive and aware at that time. You might remember that it fell like a bomb on the Church and the rest of society. It was a shock to everyone that the Catholic Church reiterated its constant teaching against contraception. Pope Paul VI, in Section 17 of Humanae Vitae, made several predictions about what would happen if contraceptives became widely available and widely used in society

He said, first of all, that there would be a general lowering of morality in society. Now, for those of you who were here in the 60's and were awake and aware and are here in the 1990's, I don't know that I have to do a lot to convince you that there's been a general lowering of morality. I remember watching TV when I was a teenager in the 60's. We saw the Donna Reed Show, I Love Lucy, Father Knows Best, The Spin and Marty Show -- all sorts of great family entertainment. And now, I can hardly watch the advertisements on TV without being offended, let alone afternoon soaps which are surely soft porn, let alone the talk shows that introduce perversions into my mind that I hadn't even imagined, let alone MTV which approaches being hard-core porn. I call this "the frog in the water effect". Some of you might have heard that if you put a frog into boiling water, it will actually jump out. But if you put a frog in a pot of lukewarm water and gradually raise the temperature to boiling, it will quite happily boil to death and not notice. And I think that's what has happened to us. In the 1960's, my father and every other father on the street, I think, would have taken the TV and smashed it on the pavement if MTV would have come into our homes. But now we are quite happily boiling to death with the TV that we have. Not to mention, of course, crime in the streets, not to mention drive by shootings, not to mention gangs and all the things we are all frightened about. You might say, "How can you trace any of that to contraceptives?" And I'll do it for you in a minute. But first, I want to go through Pope Paul VI's predictions.

Secondly, Pope Paul VI predicted that there would be a general disregard for the physical and psychological well-being of females by males. Pornography is a great assault on a woman's psychological and physical well-being. There seems to be an enormous outbreak of sexual abuse of women. The statistics are just overwhelming for how many women have been sexually abused by someone in their household. Let us also consider the fact that 60% of poverty in the United States is accounted for by single women with children. Most of those living in poverty in the United States are single women with children. That seems to me to be clearly psychological and physical abuse of women. And how did it happen? How did we get all these single mothers with children? I'll talk about that in a minute.

The third prediction was that governments would use family planning programs for coercive purposes once contraception became widely available. It's outrageous what's going on in this world in this respect. Some of you have been watching the efforts of the UN, highly backed by the United States, to say that all economic aid to third world countries will now be tied to aggressive population programs. These countries must have aggressive distribution of contraceptives, sterilization, and ready access to abortion if we are going to feed and take care of the poor. I don't know if you've seen this in the news, but it's been in the Catholic press, that women delegates to the UN are outraged at this. They find this insulting and demeaning. They feel like they're being treated like breed cows. What they want is better prenatal care. What they want is better medical care. What they want is more access to education and food for their children that's not tied to contraceptive programs. And some of you may be familiar with the work of Steven Mosher -- it's very well documented -- that there are forced abortions in China. In many areas of China, if a woman has more than one pregnancy, more than one baby, the second pregnancy will be forcibly aborted. Women are actually dragged out of fields late in a pregnancy and forcibly aborted. Now we've all lived through several weeks of seeing the national outrage because an adolescent is being caned in Singapore, as a great violation of human rights. But do any of you hear or have you seen any sort of national outrage for what's gong on in China?

Pope Paul VI's fourth prediction was that we would begin to treat our bodies as though they were machines. We would no longer have respect for the human person as an integral unity of body and soul, but the body would now be a machine that we can treat however we like. Now there is no greater evidence than that of our use of reproductive technologies, or surrogate motherhood, for instance, and many of the in vitro procedures. Some of you may have heard the story around Christmas time of a fifty-nine year old woman in England who conceived a child through in vitro fertilization. Erma Bombeck said that this would never catch on. She said that fifty-nine year olds will leave a baby in a room and forget where they left it. Or show up at a high school graduation and not know what they were doing there or why they were there. But, the point is that any woman can buy a baby. Any woman can go to an in vitro clinic and simply buy herself some semen and get herself impregnated and get the kind of baby she wants. It gives a new meaning to the word "designer genes". If you want a Nobel laureate, you go to Stanford. If you want a hot whiz kid from MIT, you go to a clinic outside of MIT. If you want an east coast, Ivy League whiz kid, you go outside of Harvard. Any woman -- married, unmarried, homosexual, heterosexual -- can buy herself a baby, any woman who has money. Tell me we are not treating our bodies like machines."
source: http://catholicmarriageprep.com.2.ecatholicchurches.com/index.cfm?load=page&page=220

 

Read that page and tell me if you agree or disagree with the statements. I believe that despite the religious context the arguments are placed in a very logical manner and do a good job of showing the problems that contraceptives and abortion have caused.

 

Yes the argument are placed in a manner that would be convincing if one did not look beyond the reasons listed. However if one takes into consideration a more complete or broader aspect of human behavior and historical facts, the argumetns fall apart.

 

hmmmm

so, politicians are forcing unprotected sex?

I need to research that!!!!!