58,000 Non-U.S. Citizens Voted in Texas State Elections, Attorney General Paxton Says

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So in our elections you’re content to settle for less than total accuracy? Are you aware, by any chance, of the Russia thing or the ads on Facebook thing? Do you guys ever have a solid position on anything?
     
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    Maybe that's how Cruz won.

    Always be wary of what the right accuse others of doing....chances are it's just yet another psychological projection.
     
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    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's justified skepticism of such a claim. If and when Texas can prove these allegations then I will apologize to all Texas Republicans [who frequently bag on California].
     
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    Round them up AKA arrest them. How many so far?

    • I have here in my hand a list of 205 that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department
     
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    Any system that can cover 99.8% of tens of millions of transactions is a pretty damn good system, and not worth the incremental costs of addressing a very small "perfection" gap.
     
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    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That 58,000 non-citizens have so easily voted in Texas is a reflection on how sloppy their voting system must be.
     
  7. Steve N

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    I'm sure you'd be satisfied with 99.8% of your paycheck deposits going through.
     
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    History lesson: despite not having a list of any kind and being an utter ******...he was right. The KGB had spies in all sorts of positions in the government.

    It’s not that McCarthy knew what he was talking about...he was just the proverbial broken clock.
     
  9. Steve N

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    Remind me again of how many votes the Russians influenced or the percentages of guns that kill people. Does incremental fit into the Equation?
     
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    The 58,000 quoted in the article are not "illegals" they have established legal presence in order to obtain driver licences so they must be in the country legally as either lawful permanent residents (green card holders) or long-term non-resident visa holders; none of whom crossed over the border illegally. Please at least try to get your facts straight.

    There is also no evidence presented that they have actually voted illegaly, just that they are in the state system as potentially eligible.

    Many state DMVs just automatically assume that persons holding driver licences are US Citizens without even asking them first. Some including California where I live will even send out Jury Duty summons to people shortly after a license is obtained but they clearly state that you must be a US Citizen to serve, to do otherwise is illegal and you can easily excuse yourself by completing the form and sending it back stating that you are a non-citizen.

    Once again, time after time, investigations into voter fraud have shown that the real number of non-citizens illegally voting is negligible and that not even all non-Citizen votes have been cast in the Democrat's favor. That's just a desparate canard. If you want more people to vote for you, how about just convincing them that you're worth voting for instead of scapegoating the invading hordes under the bed?

    Add to that the common sense notion that most people who are genuinely in the country illegally are among the least likely to want to present themselves to a governmental agency for scrutiny because they're doing their best to remain in the shadows and you expose these crazy protestations for what they are.

    If there's ever a genuine concern about something like this then the best thing a state can do is to divest the license applicant from the requirement of having a social security number (ironically, an idea intended to stop non-lawful aliens from obtaining the DL) in order to simply let the person obtain a permit to drive legally which, in catch 22 fashion, they are often required to have if they intend to drive in a state for 30 days or more?

    Just make it a driving permit not a permanent state ID.
     
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    They haven't it's just smoke and mirrors.
     
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    So true..stealing all future elections is their goal and why there's caravan after caravan heading our way.

    Think it's time to organize a yellow vest protest march in DC in the spring. If conservatives don't stand up ASAP and be counted soon, it will be too late and this country will be gone.
     
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    You can add to my skeptisism regarding these claims that Texas naturalizes 50,000 residents per year from LPR status to full citizenship so, even if a person obtained their license while in LPR or non-resident status, they could still have obtained their citizenship and voted whilst holding the license of original issue. You don't get a new DL just because you've naturalized. You still keep the old one until it expires.

    "Oh look this green card holder with a driving license has voted". "Yea that's because the license is valid for 5 years and they became a citizen in the meantime."

    You can naturalize after 3 years if you are granted LPR status because you are married to a US Citizen, 5 in many other cases. More than enough to be covered in the validity period of many state DLs.

    And, none of these alleged persons are "illegals" they had all established lawful presence to get the DLs in the first place so no border-hopping there (though, of course that's the narrative they know the gullible will swallow up).
     
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    All 58,000 should be jailed.
     
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    Short answer: It's because liberal democrats lie and cheat "by any means possible" using illegal tactics to sway the outcome of free elections. The focus of their fraud will always be in states where they are weakest.
     
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    can't be bothered so deleted
     
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    The GOP in Texas, a Republican run state for thirty years, cannot keep illegals from voting.

    Either the GOP is crooked or incompetent.
     
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    This is how voter caging operations work.

    The GOP had great success running a massive voter caging operation in Florida in 2000. It was a major contributor to Bush's election.

    Since then, GOP operatives have repeatedly tried to run voter caging operations in several states.

    And twice, on a national level.

    First, in 2005, Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales started an operation to install political operatives in US attorney's offices in target states (New Mexico, Misourri, etc) where the GOP had tough election. This effort was exposed by Henry Waxman, and it led to the resignation of the Attorney General, the Assistant Attorney general, and several of the prosecutors that Rove had installed.

    They tried it again under Trump. That was the purpose of Trump's national task force on voter fraud, which fell apart immediately as soon as they started trying to obtain voter registration records from states, and didn't even try to hide their intent to run a caging operation.

    They tried again in several states in 2016.
     
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    Did anyone bother to ask wheather the Department of Public Safety had any jurisdiction over elections? (hint: they don't).

    And did anyone notice that the headline on the clearly misleading press release actually talks about illegal aliens who have voted over 22 years!

    As with so many of these right wing memes, all you have to do is ask a few elementary questions and the whole thing falls apart.
     
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    LOL, green card holders cannot vote and you don’t know how hard it is to become a citizen. My brother-in-law from Canada no less quit trying after ten years.
     
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    Probably because they found out that all the votes were for Republican candidates so decided to stay quiet
     
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    This is the problem. Non-citizens (many illegal) get drivers licenses. Then government assumes they are citizens, making them eligible to vote.

    Don’t you see a problem here?

    Voting should be restricted to CITIZENS. Any attempt to expand that to RESIDENTS is idiotic and evil.
     
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    ROTFLMAO!!!!!

    Yeah he did post that :)
     
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    NBC = "Fake News"? ;-)
     
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    Whenever vote fraud is easy it should be presumed to be rampant.
     
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