58,000 Non-U.S. Citizens Voted in Texas State Elections, Attorney General Paxton Says

Proof, man, proof. You are way too credulous, I think.

 

They are not "eligible" to vote. The article refers to persons with lawful presence in the US at the time of the DL application. That's the 58,000 figure being bandied about here and which you reacted to assuming they must all be "illegals" which they are not.

The agency making the claim (which apparently doesn't even have jurisdiction over voting issues) neglects to acknowledge that many of those lawfully present persons will become citizens during the validity period of their licenses thus making them eligible to vote legally whereas they couldn't before.

As another poster pointed out, the process to citizenship can be long and arduous. I imagine the number of people going through that lengthy, legal and expensive minefield who would be willing to jeopardize everything in order to vote illegally will be vanishingly small.

No I see hysterics.

It is.

Leaving aside that's not what happened here; it's just a glitch in the system which applicable States could correct quite easily.

Ironically, in many cases, it's because of showboating voter initiatives or legislation requiring people to have Federal SS numbers before they can get a State DL that leads to this mess in the first place. They should not even need a TIN (tax, identifier, number) to get a driving permit. Many don't even work in the US such as B-1, or B-2 visa holders who could just as easily be here on a business trip or retired Canadians spending 6 months per year in their condo in Palm Springs (for example). I also think "evil" is going a bit too far?

 

Your points are well taken.

 

Stop asking the right questions.

 

95,000 “isolated incidents”. There is no widespread problem here.

bush beat Gore in Florida in 2000 by a couple thousand votes. It doesn't take much to tilt an election.

 

Overall, most likely 2-4 million illegal votes are harvested by Democrats per election (National election). Smaller but equally important amounts harvested in elections at the state level and enough to win them seats. Just a guesstimate. In the years to come, it will be so widespread, your actual vote will not matter. This is why Trump is hated so much by the leftwing Democrats in Congress and the Senate. If he succeeds, they lose voters and a lot of them and with those votes gone, they lose seats. Many, many seats.

 

You really didn't believe all the liberal simpletons thinking they scored a point about would be smart enough to know the facts did you?

 

You are making our point and still don't get it do you. If this many can vote in a state that actually wants to stop illegals from voting howany are voting in states your party controls where they could care less?

Think first then post

 

So, back to the Actual Topic of the OP, that must be why Democrats are so dominant in Texas Statewide elections?

You might want to think things through a little bit better before the next time you hit the reply button.

Just a friendly suggestion.

Your entire post reeks of RW Tinfoil Hat BS.

 

LOL now that's ownage

 

Well, there is no proof, we have a nothing burger, so let's close the OP.

 

In many cases it's Republicans passing initiatives stating that people must have a Federal SS number in order to obtain a State DL.

The idea is to stop "illegals" from obtaining driver licenses but the trouble with black-and-white world is that there are huge numbers of people who are non-illegal, non-citizens who need to drive while here but can't do so legally without a license. Ultimately this means the SS administration ends up having to hand out social security numbers to people who don't even want or need them in order for drivers to comply with their own state laws.

Once they have a SS# some states automatically assume they are citizens when they are not. The vast, vast majority on a legal path to citizenship wouldn't dream of jeopardizing that in order to vote illegally. They'll have plenty of opportunity to vote later on when they actually become US Citizens.

For the most part they're caught up in a kind of bureaucratic jambalaya that achieves the exact opposite effect of what it was supposed to achieve in the first place.

The easiest solution is to issue driving permits that confer nothing more than a person is here legally, has passed a competence test and is old enough to drive a motor vehicle.

Case solved.

 

Overall, most likely, the Moon is made of green cheese.

 

They didn't allow it, they caught it, didn't they? You know this occurs in democrat states, but they don;t try to stop it.

 

What does that mean, we should ignore it?

 

Just saying that these are lawful residents with ID’s.

Sounds like Texas has a state problem to me.

 

Because tRUMP picked a losing battle to shutdown the gov't over.
He made a fool of himself on the national stage, yet 1 more time. And his tRUMPers lapped along.

 

R's run the state. Which means they run the election process. They allowed it.

 

He has been here over 50 years and just quit after trying for ten later in life.

 

OK but that has no bearing on my post. I know people who have become US citizens merely three years after obtaining green cards through marriage. It usually helps if they have been provably married a long time before receiving the green card benefit (to avoid the conditional period).

In my experience, getting the green card in the first place is much harder than naturalizing as a citizen once you have it. I can't comment on your brother-in-law's particular case because I don't know the details.

 

Maybe, maybe not.
Who knows. Whats the difference between fake news and just being wrong? In a field where the fastest response is the most important element even over accurate information it's really hard to tell what truth really is. Thats why I brought up the lack evidence. Do you remember Trump had a committee to catch illegal voters? He made a big deal about starting the committee, but he was really, really, really quite about shutting down the committee. I don't know how many people they charged but I suspect it's a very low number?
If a right winger told me that my mom loved me, I would still fact check them, and give her a call....lol

 

I wonder how many of them are stolen identities. Do you ever wonder about that?

I would go with areas of Texas ran by Democrats. Not the entire State.

 

We were talking about before Trump got into Office. Voting for Secure Fence act, Then voting while Bush jr was in office and when BO the Peep got into Office what they did when the Demos had control.

Looks like they tricked not only Repubs.....but those who voted for them too.

 

Didn't read whole thread.

Reflexive, practiced, self-enriching lying. Very easy to spot and invalidates anything else such a person may have to say about anything. Such is the LW narrative on voter fraud in the U.S.

If Texas takes a record of ID# on sign in, then -all- the rationalizations of "but just projections" LW horseshit goes right out the window.

 

I wouldn't know about now. He got his when he was 18 and is now in his 70's.