A challenge for Trump supporters (current and former)

Only when revealing leftist double standards. You know the only ones they actually have

 

"We" had two sham impeachment TRIALS . Recounts are a ligitimate part of the election process, unlike tRump, Jill Stein accepted the recount outcome. Hamilton justified the creation of the EC by claiming it would guard against a glib unqualified person of low character from attaining the office of President. Which, IMHO, tRump as proven himself the poster boy for Hamilton's definition.

"Democrats" didn't apply for the FISA warrants.

 

legal challenges are bogus and he just won two of them. On #2, duh!!

you are forgetting it’s too boring to just talk about biden and people like you are obsessed with trump

even you know this is BS and far left talking points. He merely asked for audits, never asked for election to be overturned. Guess what, Al Gore demanded audits in 2000 and claimed fraud, many democrats did.

btw, you seem to forget many on the left, including hillary clinton, claimined trump stole the election with help from russia. Talk about an attempted coup, the political left tried to remove trump from office 3 times. First with the bogus russia collusion, 2nd impeach him based on a harmless phone call, 3rd accuse him of an insurrection (total lie).

so may i ask, why are you ok with the left claiming fraud, being guilty of attempted coups? Claiming trump was illegitimate? Where is your thread calling the left on all these offenses????? Show me the thread if you want to be credible.

 

Who said he wasn't? Yes, Democrats abused their power to impeach Trump. They even impeached him a second time when he wasn't even president anymore.

 

From your article: Hillary Clinton, lost five of her pledged electors while the Republican Party nominee and then president-elect, Donald Trump, lost two.

And Jill Stein? From the Green Party?

 

Yes, Jill Stein, who had zero chance of benefitting from a recount asked for a recount. It should have never been done because she had no chance of winning the recount. And, yes again, Democrats tried to overthrow a legitimate election by trying to get electors to vote for a different Republican than Trump, denying Trump a win and sending the election to the House. I wonder who the House would have elected? Then we had Democratic lies in FISA courts to overthrow a legitimately elected president by claiming Trump colluded with Russia when the Mueller investigation found there was no collusion between Trump and Russia. All of this was followed by two sham impeachments from a party who was obsessed with getting rid of Trump. And it continues to this day with an abuse of power investigating Jan 6th, claiming an insurrection when not one person has been charged with insurrection.

 

All things Trump.

 

SMH

 

You can keep telling yourself that. Things aren't looking good for the Trump Org, just like it didn't look good for his fraudulent "charity" and "university."

Glad we agree.

Hey, a second thing we can agree on!

I'm not going to bury my head in the sand when someone tries to steal an election.

Even you know this is BS and far Trumpist talking points. He didn't merely ask for audits. And there had already BEEN audits.

He wanted Pence to disobey the Constitution, refuse to count all EC ballots and stall until the EC could be ignored in favor of a House vote instead. Read that a few times over until it sinks in. That's not an audit.

Most of the claims I heard from Gore involved mechanical issues, not fraud. And he wanted a recount in one state that he lost by just over 500 votes, with the gap closing as the recount went on. I supported that recount just like I supported Trump's recounts. The difference here being that Trump's recounts were completed, and Gore's never was. And, for the record, I agreed with the Supreme Court putting a time limit on that. It was on Florida to get their **** together, and they failed. Funny how you guys liked strict time limits back then, but you don't even want the EC count date be deadline when your guy loses. All you are doing is projecting your hypocrisy onto others.

By the way, Gore conceded after he lost that court case. He didn't pressure lawmakers, governors, and election officials to help him overturn the election. Trump did.

And, in case you forgot, Gore was VP at the time. Did he use the Trump strategy of refusing to count some EC votes, or count "alternate" ones instead? No, he obeyed the Constitution.

I heard many people claim that Russia helped him win, or that even he wouldn't have won without the help of Russia. But he did win. Clinton conceded the day after the election. She didn't pressure lawmakers, governors, election officials, or the VP to help her overturn the election. Trump did.

And, in case you forgot, Biden was VP at the time. Did he use the Trump strategy of refusing to count some EC votes, or count "alternate" ones instead? No, he obeyed the Constitution.

In fact, there were 9 House Dems who tried to challenge states. No Dem Senator backed them. Biden gaveled them down. Compare that to the way GOP lawmakers rallied to refuse to do their Constitutional duty.

Impeachment isn't a coup. Please read the Constitution. And none of those attempts would have done what Trump wanted to do. They wouldn't have made Clinton the President. Pence, the other winner of the election, would have taken office, not Clinton. Trump wanted himself in office, not Harris.

We know, for a fact, that the Trump campaign (I'm not saying Trump himself) had been informed that the Russian government had dirt on Clinton and wanted to help Trump win the election. When they heard about that, they eagerly sought to meet with them and then tried to cover up the meeting. Even the GOP-lead Intelligence Committee said that they had enough evidence to establish that the Trump campaign knew of Russia's attempts to interfere and welcomed the benefits they could reap from the interference. There were no criminal charges against the campaign for this because no conspiratorial, specific agreement between the two could be established.

Even his own staff said it was "likely illegal" for him to withhold those funds. And he abused his office to try to get a personal favor from an official. He deserved to be impeached for that. And, yes, it was a PERSONAL favor. He directed them to talk to his PERSONAL lawyer who had already said on national television that the Ukrainian investigation he was seeking was for the benefit of his PERSONAL client, not the country.

Even McConnell admitted that Trump was culpable for the riot. The only defense they had were semantic arguments about the word "insurrection."

As mentioned, neither of the instances you mentioned above are "fraud."

Impeachment isn't a coup. Please read the Constitution.

No, I'm not okay with that. He was legitimately elected. I've said several times that, even if Russia did help (which I do believe), and even if he wouldn't have won without their help (which I don't believe), he still legitimately won. If it had been shown that he had conspired with them, and it wasn't, then he should have been impeached and removed from office. Which would make Pence take office, not Clinton.

In this thread I've shown that your comparisons are not credible.

 

You can talk about whatever you like regardless of how pointless it is. For the time being we still have a free country.

 

Deleted - dupe

 

Fake news! You can’t overthrow a stolen election. The act of stealing it due to mail in ballots WAS the act of “overthrowing” it
Funny how you dems think you are so slick with words

 

If you would try to read the OP, you'd see why. Do you need me to repeat it? And you didn't get the memo about the forum having a search feature. Years after he left office YOU WERE STILL TALKING ABOUT OBAMA.

 

And here is your daily reminder that your position is purely based on feeling, not backed up by any facts. Thanks for emoting, but if you want to claim "stolen," try finding evidence.

 

Yup. Only 1285 cases. Lemme guess “this proves nothing”? Ok then. Live in your denial bubble but don’t come here crying when Republicans cheat
https://www.heritage.org/election-i...-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america

 

Even if all 1,285 of those were successful, rather than having been caught, and even if they were all in the 2020 presidential election, and even if they were all for Biden, it still wouldn't have changed the results of the election. Biden still won.

 

So fraud doesn’t matter. Got it!
Thanks for the enlightenment

 

Fraud does matter. But it isn't enough to change the results. By the way, you should actually take a look at that database you are citing as evidence. How much fraud did they find in the 2020 presidential election? You haven't even looked into it. Don't pretend to care about evidence when you won't even read your own sources. It would be great for your "enlightenment."

 

I watched Morning Joe this morning. It’s pretty much all Trump all the time.


They had Chris Christy on talking about his new book. All they asked him about was Trump.

This Democrat obsession with the past is going to cause them to get slaughtered in 2022.

 

@Darthcervantes

I've finished reviewing the Heritage Foundation election fraud database. I count six verified instances of 2020 general/presidential election election fraud. Not 1,285. Six.

Here are the details of each:

1) Jan (Wilson) Cummer - Duplicate Voting
Following a bench trial, Jan Wilson was convicted of voting twice by absentee ballot in the Nov. 3, 2020 general election, a misdemeanor offense. Wilson was ordered to pay a $500 fine plus court costs.

2) Paul Parana - Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots
Paul Parana of Canton was charged with impersonating a voter after he forged his daughter's signature on an absentee ballot in 2020 General Election. He pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor election law violation, was sentenced to 90 days’ probation, and ordered to pay $1,100 in fines and court costs.

3) Bruce Bartman - Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots
Bruce Bartman was charged with falsely registering for an absentee ballot on behalf of his deceased mother and his deceased mother-in-law in the 2020 general election. A registered Republican, he used his mother’s driver license number and the last four digits of his mother-in-law’s social security number to register them as Republicans in effort to cast fraudulent ballots for Donald Trump. Bartman cast an absentee ballot in his mother’s name, but did not obtain an absentee ballot for his mother-in-law. Bartman pleaded guilty to two felony counts of perjury and one misdemeanor count of illegal voting. He was sentenced to five years’ probation, is barred from voting in any election for 4 years, and is no longer eligible to serve on a jury.

4) Ralph Holloway Thurman - Impersonation Fraud at the Polls
Registered Republican Ralph Holloway Thurman voted twice in the 2020 presidential election. After casting his vote, Thurman asked a poll worker if he could vote on behalf of his son, and when workers informed him that it was not allowed, he left the building. Later that day Thurman returned, disguised in a hat and sunglasses, and signed the poll book as his son, a registered Democrat. After casting the second ballot, pollsters recognized him, notified the judge of elections, but Thurman left before election officials could confront him. He pleaded guilty to one count of repeat voting, a felony. Thurman was sentenced to three years' probation and is barred from voting for four years as part of a negotiated plea deal.

5) Robert Richard Lynn - Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots
Registered Republican Robert Richard Lynn was charged with a third-class misdemeanor for using his deceased mother’s credentials to cast an absentee ballot for Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election. He was sentenced to six months probation and 40 hours of community service.

6) Jonathan Meade West Sr. - Duplicate Voting
Jonathan Meade West, Sr., of Hayes, was charged with a felony for attempting to cast two ballots in the 2020 general election. West first voted absentee at the Gloucester County Voter Register's office. He then returned four days later and tried to cast a second ballot. He was stopped from casting a second ballot when the election worker checked his information using a back-up to the VERIS (Virginia Election Registration Information System) system since it was not working that day. He was convicted of an amended misdemeanor charge of obtaining services under false pretense after attempting to vote twice. West, a self-described "unabashed conservative," was sentenced to a suspended sentence of 12 months, fined $500, and ordered to pay $96 in court costs.

So, your evidence that the election was "stolen" for Biden, and away from Trump, are a total of SIX instances of election fraud, AT LEAST HALF of which are from conservatives. Pure gold you got there.

 

You stated "sham impeachment", it wasn't a sham.

 

They are still busy pretending that impeachment is a "coup."

 

All that proves is that mail in ballots are EASY to fraud and who knows how many unknown instances there are
If democrats can win with traditional SECURE voting methods I’ll gladly shut up about the STEAL
Until then let’s call this what it is. Democrats harnessed the pandemic to change voting to a much less secure system

 

Yep, it's not that hard. He's relevant to current political topics because he is still active player and an active influence in current politics......

 

Of the six cases, five involve mail-in ballots. Five. That's 0.0000031321766781181553% of the vote. If that's all it takes to convince you: FIVE frauds, NATION WIDE, out of OVER 159 MILLION, then you never cared about facts, only feelings, as we previously established. I appreciate you re-confirming. By the way, I'm bending over backwards to be generous even with that 0.000003% number. That isn't factoring in that at least two of those five cases were from Trump supporters.

If five cases are all you need to believe that fraud is easy, then there's nothing you won't believe if it supports your agenda. It was never about facts. You confirm this every day.