A Fundamental Reason for Vaccine Hesitancy

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to Israel data and the Pfizer shot that they used after 4 months.
     
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    Get a clue....
    • Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry.
    • The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html
     
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    The 16% is the ability of it to stop you from getting infected.
     
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    I agree on the part re unhealthy food.

    Now, for the mandates and shutdowns, the main problem is that they were lifted too early, allowing the development of a second and a third wave. With a little more resilience, we could have at lest partly hampered the smooth transmission of the virus.
     
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    Delta came from India and Lambda from South America, proving that lifting shutdowns here didn't really cause either.
     
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    Nicely said by Alan (or Robert?). I was slightly more concise though.:smile:
     
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    As you are able to read correctly, you certainly noticed that I didn't say that the lifting of shutdowns and mandates caused the Delta and Lambda variants. I maintain that their spreading would have been slowed down.
     
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    So, lockdowns forever it is, then. Because Lambda will likely not be the last. And on and on, like the flu.
     
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    15 days to flatten the curve became Covid-1984.
     
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    15 days, then Dr. Fraudci stuck his finger in the air and it became another month, then another six months, then this fall, then next spring. Dude has no freaking clue what the hell he's talking about at any given time.
     
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    39% is not 16%.
     
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    According to Israel's numbers. The 39% is the point where someone vaccinated and infected show serious symptoms as your article states.
     
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    STOP spreading anti-vaxxer BS.

    The vaccines are saving lives and helping us control the pandemic.

    "According to an analysis carried out by Public Health England, two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine appeared to be about 88 percent effective against symptomatic disease and 96 percent effective against hospitalization with the Delta variant.

    The same study suggested that the vaccine was approximately 80 percent effective against preventing infection from the Delta variant. Scientists came to this conclusion after analyzing 14,019 people with an infection, 166 of whom were hospitalized, in England.

    Vaccines had a protective effect against infections with Delta and hospital cases were milder, the study found.

    Public Health England also shared real-world data in May that solidified the importance of having a second dose of COVID-19 vaccine. The analysis suggested that a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine offered only about 33 percent protection against symptomatic disease.

    This was a reduction from the previous 50 percent effectiveness estimated against the alpha variant.

    The study also found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 88 percent effective against the Delta variant 2 weeks after the second dose."

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-well-covid-19-vaccines-work-against-the-delta-variant
     
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    Facts are not BS. You just can't accept the fact that according to Israel the ability to get infected drops to 16% after 4 months with the Pfizer treatment.
     
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    Existing illness is the main factor. Americans are fat and sick. What is the risk factor for healthy people?
     
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    I live in Los Angeles and in spite of strict lock downs and mandates, L.A. lead the nation in in Covid cases. Mom n pop shops had to close their doors so people had to crowd Walmart to buy the same item and a much higher risk.

    Our mayor issued a stay-at-home order. The next morning, parking enforcement was towing their cars because they were deemed "essential"!

    The next day, our mayor said that we shouldn't go to work. "Enjoy the parks and beaches". Of course, people crowded the parks and beaches and they had to be closed.

    Looking back, efforts should have been focused on the frail and elderly.
     
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    No cite?
     
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    Still pretty high especially if you're older.
     
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    In your attempt to dodge, you ended up admitting that age is a factor. If one is not elderly or frail, what is the risk factor? Your answer will end with the following symbol: %
     
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    Lockdowns were intrinsequely a wise measure: obviously, when you stay home, you don't transmit the virus.

    But I agree that it was not always applied in a logical manner; and neither were other orders and recommendations.

    Age and other health conditions definitely play a role. But hospitals now record the highest number of new cases among younger people (10 to 30). However, they don't fill up the hospitals, let alone the ICUs.
     
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    I don't see how a reasonable person would consider lock downs for healthy people wise. Even the politicians imposing the lock downs did not live by them.
     
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    You should get the hell a grip.
     
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    As the provincial health officer in BC that hasn't had a lockdown says, "We need fewer faces and bigger spaces." Restaurants were takeout only for a time, gyms and bars were closed, but schools were open except for part of April and May 2020. Most businesses have remained open.

    It can be done without lockdowns, but not without some restrictions.

    You seem hell bent on letting the virus do what it will. That kills business, however, as people avoid purchases where they might catch covid, and the more the virus circulates, the more people cut back.
     
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    Considering both the current strains originated in other countries, and are vaccine resistant, it's hard to see how locking down or restricting us, but not locking down the borders wouldn't be part of the left's comprehensive plan to deal with COVID. Seems like importing Democrat voters takes precedent over fighting COVID.

    Which makes it much harder to take anyone on the left serious about COVID measures. In fact, it makes a complete joke out of anyone on the left.
     
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    You are hellbent on dodging my simple question. False statements and dodges are no substitute for scientific data. What is the risk factor for healthy people?
     

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