A Fundamental Reason for Vaccine Hesitancy

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  1. Xyce

    Xyce Well-Known Member

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    A fundamental reason for vaccine hesitancy is that Democrat voters do not punish their leaders when they blatantly disregard mitigation protocols from the CDC of a virus that they have weaponized against their political foes. Although there are many pictures that I can post here, I think the one of Nancy Pelosi, before the vaccines were out, going into a salon, despite local ordinances that shut down salons, crippling businesses, is a salient one. Not only did she go into a salon during the government-mandated lockdown, but she pranced around without wearing a mask. And what did her voters do? They elected her back in overwhelmingly.

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    Now, I am not saying that they should have voted for a Republican because of her actions, but she should have definitely been primaried and lost that primary and another Democrat should now be in Congress in her stead. The fact that her supporters allowed her to sail back into her seat, relatively unscathed politically, breeds cynicism from the American public, especially amid the panic porn from the Democrat Party and the mainstream press (but I repeat myself) about the serious deadliness of this virus. If this virus is to be taken so seriously, why was she allowed to stay a congresswoman after that flagrant violation? Her voters allowing her to go back into Congress after that stunt, and her complete disregard of the so-called seriousness of the virus, does not engender fear of the virus but rather outrage over the blatant hypocrisy and the nonambiguous lack of accountability.
     
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    Nancy prancing around with the mask made liberals like her even more
    They love elitist nonsense
     
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    Yeah sure. I get what you're saying. I agree; our leaders need to push for higher standards. Especially during a vaccine. But at the same time we need to understand that they are human and we need to talk to local leaders who are pushing for the vaccine. Pelosi is important on the national level. But at the local level? Not so much. I actually had a talk with a random woman today about this. She was hesitating on getting vaccinated (even with her husband who had cancer); but she ultimately got vaccinated because of her local pharmacist who pushed her to get vaccinated.
     
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    If Nancy Pelosi was primaried and lost her primary, I think there would be a lot more people vaccinated. A lot more people would be taken this virus more seriously. The fact that she was allowed to get away with that flagrant violation engenders outrage, not fear. And she is not the only Democrat. I can post more pictures here if you'd like.

    No, this is not a time for giving second chances, especially since this was not a mistake but a purposeful violation. If Democrats truly thought this disease was as deadly was they say it is, they would hold their leaders accountable. Since they do not, they are a fundamental reason for vaccine hesitancy.
     
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    So you cite one example of her violating this because...? Like this happened months ago but it's all I hear the right cite. Why is that, especially when people like Margaret Taylor Greene are much better examples of people who break rules surrounding Covid. The point being, Pelosi got lambasted for it and hasn't done it since. Not the same for Greene.

    The whataboutism aside, the point you're trying to make doesn't make sense when we look at the local level because local leaders are pushing for people to get vaccinated, not just on the national stage. You have to take into account those voices.
     
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    Your reasoning is a fundamental reason for vaccine hesitancy. As for MTG, that's a false comparison, as MTG is not supported government-mandated masking and lockdowns, whereas Pelosi was and is. Pelosi was and is talking up the supposed deadliness of the virus for political gain; MTG is not. Like I said, if you all really thought this virus was seriously deadly, then you should have put your money where your mouth is and kicked Pelosi out of Congress. That would have been a wake up call to the whole country that perhaps this virus is as deadly was the media and Democrats (but I repeat myself) are saying, and A LOT more people would be vaccinated. But you allowed her to keep her job. And this, again, engenders cynicism. If the virus is serious, and you talk up this virus as being serious, then you have to mete out serious consequences to those who flagrantly violate the mitigation measures.
     
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    I know you're talking about something important but all I can do is think about Magic the Gathering.

    And I get what you're saying again but, local leaders. Local solutions. The left called out Pelosi and rightfully so. We should see frame that as proof that the media held a political leader responsible for calling her out on her bad behavior. The question then becomes "does the punishment match the crime?". So why frame this as a cynical play when we can also reframe this as proof that the system is working?
     
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    No, the system is not working. She kept her job. The system is not working. What punishment did she face? What consequences? She kept her job. At the end of the day, that's all that matters to a politician, as politics, as the dictionary says, is "the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government." She won. She faced no real consequences whatsoever.
     
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    Why is "keeping her job" the price she has to pay? Why not a simple public shaming?
     
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    Because of the supposed deadliness of this virus. Because she was supporting government-mandated lockdowns, which ruined many peoples lives. The media and Democrats, including Pelosi, have created mass hysteria about the supposed deadliness of this virus. Considering the scale of rhetoric about how deadly this disease was, she should have AT LEAST lost her job. At most, criminal charges against her should have been considered.
     
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    So in other words because you blame her for what’s happened since then.
     
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    Politicians on both sides of the aisle undermined trust and confidence in the vaccine, as well as inconsistent information(which they are categorizing as 'misinformation', again strictly for political purposes.) There's no one in "authority" to "Trust mah authoritah". Nobody, there's no one who commands that. And so, a lot of us will make our own judgment calls.
     
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    Wow! Talk about old news and a MASSIVE whataboutism

    so let me try to boil down the “logic” here

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    But this guy is fine

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    Thank you for proving my point.

    During the time that Nancy Pelosi just "went to the hair dresser," millions of people were out of work because of the government-mandated lockdowns. During the time that Nancy Pelosi just "went to the hair dresser," there were mask mandates on businesses that were deemed "essential" to keep in operation. During the time that Nancy Pelosi just "went to the hair dresser," kids and adults were killing themselves because of the psychological impact of lockdowns, due the isolation, their lifelong dreams of being a business owner going up in flames, and more. During the time that Nancy Pelosi just "went to the hair dresser," Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) were politicizing this virus.

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    For the sake of argument, let's say that the COVID death count is 100% legitimate. Actually, let's go further; let's say, as the New York Times and other prominent Democrat publications say, the COVID death count is actually lower than the real number of people who have succumbed to this virus, that means that this virus is the most deadly virus since the Spanish flu for Americans. And in the context of people killing themselves from the lockdowns, people dying from the virus, people lives and lifesavings being destroyed by the response to this virus, Nancy Pelosi decides to flagrantly walk into a salon without a mask on in clear-cut violation of local ordinance. And how do her supporters, these people of supposed high virtue when it comes to COVID react? They overwhelmingly elect her back in, and then we have people like you who flippantly defend that hypocrisy by trying to make memes out of the outrage to the outrageousness.

    You state that my argument is nothing short of a "MASSIVE whataboutism." I'm not sure you know what that word means.

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    The word "whataboutism" means "an accusation [that] is met with a counter-accusation, pivoting away from the original criticism." (1)

    You then do exactly that in the same post in which you falsely accuse me of whataboutism, as demonstrated here:

    My argument does not fall under the definition of whataboutism, but your counter-argument absolutely does. Ironic!

    1. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-roots-of-the-what-about-ploy-1497019827
     
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    In her case, I think a mask is truly a courtesy to humanity!
     
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    I watch the Michael Knowles Show, on the Daily Wire, and someone made a great comment about this. They said something along the line of, "If someone asks me why I am not wearing my mask, I'll just tell them that I am still celebrating Obama's birthday."
     
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    And Obama was not the only one having fun.

     
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    Wow, that's some whacked out reasoning. RWers not getting vaccinated because Pelosi went to get a haircut during the pandemic. Newsflash: Pelosi behaving irresponsibly in no way excuses RWers from behaving irresponsibly by not getting vaccinated.

    What this shows, however, is your deep immersion in RW media. Because that's what RW media preaches every day: Any ills in people's personal life and society in general must be Democrats' fault. I'd recommend to change the channel.
     
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    Pelosi's violation is a microcosm of broader problem among Democrats in regards to the utter hypocrisy of this virus. It's not just her. There are numerous pictures that I can post about Democrats being hypocrites about this virus: saying one thing, doing another. Being in support of policy that leads to hardship, but then violating that policy for the sake of convenience, and then getting away with it is outrageous.

    Again, the responses from the Democrats on this forum again, and again, and again proves my point. Defending Pelosi no matter what is a hill they would die on. The Democrat Party, ladies and gentlemen, is the true cult.
     
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    So you guys on the right blame US DEMS for YOU not getting vaccinated. I had no idea we were so powerful.
     
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    High-profiled Democrats politicizing this virus, weaponizing it against their political foes, stirring up mass hysteria, but then, in contrast, when they think no one is looking, go about their daily lives like normal, definitely has an impact on the credibility of the pro-vaccine messaging being spouted by those same Democrats. Yes, that is obviously correct.
     
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    No, it just shows that, once again, liberal leaders fearmonger stupid people about things they don’t take seriously themselves. Just like Climate Change.
     
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    She even color coordinates her masks with her apparel. She gets brownie points for that.
     
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    Yep, you guys take no responsibility for anything, it's always someone else's fault.
     
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