Once again doko , nothing is ever as simple regard Jewish terrorists in Palestine, as simple minded would believe it to be . Denial is part of Zionists nature + MO It reminds one of bitter irony in the old Jewish adage "a robbed Cossack". It describes a Cossack who not only causes havoc, murders, rapes and plunders, but also accuses his victims of robbing him. The perpetrator pretends to be the victim, the robber pretends to be robbed.. Shifting blame on others is an old Zionist ploy which they've learnt from the Cossacks. Here are the facts : "Warnings were sent by telephone, including one to the hotel's own switchboard, which the hotel staff decided to ignore, but none directly to the British authorities.[4] A possible reason why the warning was ignored was that hoax bomb warnings were rife at the time.[4] From the fact that a bomb search had already been carried out, it appears that a hoax call or tip-off had been received at the hotel earlier that day. Warnings ( by a sixteen year old Irgun recruit, Adina Hay) Since the bombing, much controversy has ensued over the issues of when warnings were sent and how the British authorities responded. Irgun representatives have always stated that the warning was given well in advance of the explosion, so that adequate time was available to evacuate the hotel. Menachem Begin, for example, writes that the telephone message was delivered 25–27 minutes before the explosion.[14] It is often stated that the British authorities have always denied that a warning was sent. However, what the British Government said, five months after the bombing, once the subsequent inquest and all the inquiries had been completed, was not that no warning had been sent, but that no such warning had been received by anyone at the Secretariat "in an official position with any power to take action."[15] American author Thurston Clarke's analysis of the bombing gave timings for calls and for the explosion which he says took place at 12:37. He said that as part of the Irgun plan, a sixteen year old recruit, Adina Hay (alias Tehia), was to make three warning calls before the attack. At 12:22 the first call was made, in both Hebrew and English, to a telephone operator on the hotel's switchboard (the Secretariat and the military each had their own, separate, telephone exchanges). It was ignored.[3] At 12:27, the second warning call was made to the French Consulate adjacent to the hotel to the north-east. This second call was taken seriously and staff went through the building opening windows and closing curtains to lessen the impact of the blast. At 12:31 a third and final warning call to the Palestine Post newspaper was made. The telephone operator called the Palestine Police CID to report the message. She then called the hotel switchboard. The hotel operator reported the threat to one of the hotel managers. This warning resulted in the discovery of the milk churns in the basement, but by then it was too late.[3] Some Israeli observers have stated that the British had received enough warning but they assumed that the Hotel was so heavily guarded that any attack would be futile. Begin claimed in his memoirs that the British had deliberately kept civilians in so that they could vilify the Jewish militant groups,[16] although no evidence has ever been produced to support this. source wiki .
It is that simple, a warning was sent, that the warning was not heeded is not the point, they attempted to minimize civilian casualties and it was a military and strategic targets, those are the things which separate freedom fighters engaged in asymmetrical warfare from terrorists, terrorist attacks are in order to kill as many people as possible regardless of the strategic importance of the target, but the King David Hotel bombing was a legitimate attack against the headquarters of the British military and government in the mandate.
lol, you deserve derision because you take incontestable evidence; such as, the martyrdom videos of the hijackers, the flight manifests, the money trail, etc etc and just ignore it while ignoring the fact that every single twoofer point ever made has been systematically debunked, and just ignore it and continue on your conspiracy theory rants so you can continue your blame the Jews bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The Zionist does not have virtues like other people can. Judaism is an ethnicity not just a religion. No they don't. Yes because the Jews control the media and were responsible for 9-11. This is why you deserve nothing but derision. Jews control the banks too. lol You can take the word Zionist and replace it for the word Jew all you like but your classic anti-Semitic canards and Naziesque conspiracy theories shine through plain as day. In the interests of accuracy, I am not the one that is going around saying that anyone definitely did 911. That's you. And how do you know this? Because that's what you have been told. And who told you this? [/quote] The attackers in their martyrdom videos for one, and for two all of the available evidence. The same sources that lie all of the time. I hope you get paid for doing this, Dr Doc. Jack[/QUOTE]
Go read my post again. Warning was sent to those who could'nt have taken any action . GO READ MY POST , stretch yourself and make some sort of fokking effort to understand what you've read. However , according to your reasoning , all terrorists can be justified , provided they leave telephone warnings . LOL if I had a line to any terrorists , I'll tell them to always phone before crashing aircraft into American towers and next time try doing a better job at hitting the Pentagon . Would that please you ? .
You have to give the Doc credit, he is nothing if not dogged in his determination to make the same thing, sound a different thing. Doc, get with the programme man. Either you think it is wrong to place bombs in hotels, and engage in other activities that you know will lead to loss of human life, or you don't. You cannot pick and choose. If you want to condemn Hamas, lest they kill a civilian, fine, do that, but also condemn Jewish and Zionist terrorists. If you want to condemn Hamas or any other Islamic group or person for planting a bomb, fine, do that, but apply the same to all that do this. Otherwise you really do end up looking like someone that hates Muslims, and supports Jewish terrorism, even against Britain.
It was an act of terrorism, Irgun and the Stern Gang were terrorists. We understand. You support Zionist terrorism. You support it back then. And you support it now. If a Muslim group did precisely what the Stern Gang and Irgun did today, you would be whistling a totally different tune. What with your devotion and all, it must really frustrate you that Israel won't let you live there, what with their Jew only immigration policy. Jack
Doko , dont you ever read responses to your crap ? For fox sake , Instead of boringly going around in circles like an idiot , parrot-like repeating the same old crap, why dont you go read posts # 86 - 87 - 88 - 89 etc,
Would a text be as good or better than a call? How about an e mail, is that better or less good than the other two? How about a drawing of what is going to happen, thrown into the window, before it happens? Is that okay?
Doko , did you watch and learn anything from Prof. Illan Pappe's video , I've post - # 99 ? Hmmm , I guess it contained too many unpalatable truths , demolishing Zionists myths . Professor Ilan Pappe is Israel’s leading “new” or “revisionist” historian. The terms new and revisionist really mean “honest”. The title of his book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, says everything about his integrity and commitment to the truth of history. As well as his passion for justice. One of very many revelations in Ilan’s latest book is in the form of a statement made by David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s founding father, in a letter to his son. It was written in 1937. “The Arabs will have to go”, Ben-Gurion wrote, “but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as war.” Like all Israelis, Ilan was brought up, conditioned, to believe Zionism’s version of the history of the making and sustaining of the Arab-Israeli conflict. It wasn’t until he went to England to continue his academic studies that he had access to documentation which enabled him to understand that Zionism’s version is a propaganda lie. For his books and his public speaking, Ilan is respected and admired by many people around the world with the exception, of course, of supporters of Israel right or wrong and Zionists in particular - Are you sure you're not Jewish ? If not , then why not ? LOL or are you just another gullible Goy ? ... .....
The majority of the time. I know they are that's why I clearly said I wasn't counting groups like the Real IRA. That is not the true IRA they are bank robbers and criminals, the actual IRA followed the ceasefire and peace treaty signed by their Sinn Fein representatives. I think that you don't know how to read, I said that "I'm not counting 'the real IRA' or other splinter groups". I'm asking for a source because I don't believe a word you say. Israel doesn't target civilians and Hamas uses human shields, Israel does everything in their power to minimize civilian casualties and Hamas does everything to maximize them, on both sides. That's impossible with the likes of Hamas which demands the destruction of Israel and the extermination of world Jewry. Bombing a building in order to maximize civilian casualties for the sole purpose of maximizing civilian casualties is completely different from bombing a military, economic, or governmental target of the enemy especially if you give advanced warning of an impending attack in order to minimize civilian casualties.
Pappe is FOS and supports the destruction of Israel through a demographic shift his work is meant to demonize Israel in order to de-legitimize its very existence I put him in the same vein as Finkelstein and Chomsky, I prefer Morris.
They sent warning to hotel staff who could have taken action just as they would in any other hotel or large building in which a bomb threat is placed, just because they didn't notify the British government or military officials who were the targets doesn't mean they didn't send a warning. Provided its a legitimate military or government target.
They targeted the military and government headquarters of the British mandate and sent a warning in order to minimize civilian casualties, that is a legitimate military operation conducted through asymmetrical warfare.
Oh I read them it's not my fault that certain members on this forum are too (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid to know the difference between an ethnicity and a race, Jews share a common history, language, religion, culture, religion, and in the majority of cases genetic lineage. In 1950, the UNESCO statement, "The Race Question", signed by some of the internationally renowned scholars of the time (including Ashley Montagu, Claude Lévi-Strauss, Clauford von Magellan desch Singrones Strauss, Julian Huxley, etc.), suggested that: "National, religious, geographic, linguistic and cultural groups do not necessarily coincide with racial groups: and the cultural traits of such groups have no demonstrated genetic connection with racial traits. Because serious errors of this kind are habitually committed when the term 'race' is used in popular parlance, it would be better when speaking of human races to drop the term 'race' altogether and speak of 'ethnic groups'."[45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group#Terminology_and_definition
How curious and quirky life is, when Norman Finkelstein, a man that lost his entire family during WW2, a man who has oft been the bane of Zionists, should unwittingly have become a poster child of Zionists, of late, on the grounds of one piece of dialogue. Get fashionable Doc, it is okay to like him now, he is an obedient Jew, as far as the Zionists are concerned. It is vogue for Zionists to read his books now, Doc. Btw, that other man you revere, the now deceased Hitchens, spoke out against the very principle of Zionism, yes? And you do realise that he long supported the Palestinians, don't you? [video=youtube;0N84iJOos1s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N84iJOos1s[/video]
I see. So is it okay for someone to target the Israeli elite, and various HQ's and constructs, if they have a political goal, and give a phone call in advance, to try to keep civilian casualties on the lower side? You must agree that would also be okay, otherwise, again, you are merely manufacturing distinctions, and what you really want to say is that any terrorism, state or otherwise by Zionists is not terrorism, while any resistance or bombs by anyone else is terrorism. Just cough it out Doc, better out than in. Jack
Yes, you nailed it Doc, that is the intellectual conclusion, we are all stupid (you swear a LOT, did your parents not raise you not to?). And that all anyone need do is believe you. Thank god we finally got there, eh? By the way, keep up with your genetically linked Jews as a one people. This would be why Ashkenazi's get riddled with genetic flaws, that are almost unknown in any other group of Jews. You would think that if there is all this genetic linkage, that these conditions might effect all Jews, at more or less the same rate. Yet they don't. What do you think the most likely reason for this is? Let's see if you can invent a reason, while at the same time hurling more abuse or cursing, to explain why that might be?
I will make it more simple. Would it be okay for a Muslim group to do PRECISELY what was done during the KDH terror incident?
What are you blathering about? Finkelstein is a far left extremist who supports the destruction of Israel. Hitchens in the very video you posted was saying he support the continued existence of Israel and a two state solution.
I know that it was their policy to send coded warnings to the police, the codes were set up so that the police knew they were not hoaxes. I don't have the exact figures but it was clearly IRA policy. I don't see the difference between planting a bomb or dropping on out of an airplane it is an accepted tactic of asymmetrical warfare so long as the targets are not civilian in nature. This was not for personal gain. It was a success because all the IRA wanted was representation and liberation, Hamas wants the extermination of world Jewry and the destruction of Israel. I said I don't believe you so post your source. Israel drops leaflets and uses precision ordinance in order to minimize civilian casualties it is not Israels fault that Hamas sets up shop in densely populated civilian sectors in order to use their own population as shields while they launch rockets into Israeli civilian sectors. Sure do, read their charter. They aren't but it is kind of a barrier to the type of negotiations we had between Sinn Fein and the British government, it would be like if the IRA's demands were the destruction of Great Britain and the execution of all British subjects. If their objectives were just but Muslims groups are not fighting for democracy and liberation they fight for theocracy and oppression, Muslim groups aren't targeting military targets they are targeting civilian populations.
Yes the Jew haters on this board who don't understand the difference between race, religion, and ethnicity are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retarded. And yet numerous studies have proven that they are closely related with other Jewish groups; such as, the Sephardi and that they can trace their genetic lineage all the way back to paleolithic gene pools in the Levant. It's called genetic drift. Sephardi getting raped by Islamic Imperialist Arabs for fifteen hundred years? Or perhaps low levels of genetic mixture between host populations and Jewish immigrants. I don't need to invent (*)(*)(*)(*) because your Khazar bull(*)(*)(*)(*) has been completely debunked by not one but numerous genetic studies which can trace the genetic origin of the Ashkanazi to the neolithic Levant.
I said military and governmental targets, that's called war but I would still side with Israel as they are a liberal democracy confronted with genocidal Islamic Imperialist nutters.
Okay. So here is where we are at, so far. The IRA were okay to you. Because they gave phone call. Sometimes. And sometimes not. Did they also give phone calls just prior shooting civilians dead in the street? It was okay for the Stern Gang and Irgun to engage in terrorism against the British, who had been good enough to facilitate them. But if Muslims deployed those precise same tactics, as the IRA and the Stern Gang/Irgun, that would be different. It's like we knew all along. You are a supporter of Zionist terrorism, and hate Muslims. That's what it comes down to. Jack
So, according the the 'Doctor', the reason that Ashkenazi's are riddled with genetic defects and flaws, is down to ... 'Sephardi getting raped by Islamic Imperialist Arabs for fifteen hundred years'. Here Doc, who conspired in the capture, torture and murder of Jesus? Was it Muslamofacistswine. That's not really you in your avatar. This is the real you. [video=youtube;bx6lupC6WyE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6lupC6WyE[/video]
