A Resurrection and not Heaven or Hell Awaits Everyone After They Die

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    A Resurrection and not Heaven or Hell Awaits Everyone After They Die

    People are resurrected from their graves after dying.

    They do not go to heaven or a burning hell after they die.

    Christ stated plainly that no man had ascended to heaven but He himself:

    John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    The dead are not conscious while they are in their graves in the period between their death and the future resurrection:

    Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    The "live not again" until the resurrection:

    Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    And those who are resurrected to rule under Christ do not go to heaven but reign with Christ on this earth as kings and priests:

    Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Modern Christianity's teachings are in error!
     
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    in a sense....
    the resurrection is not as people think.

    ie..... you are of your parents life. You are from the sperm/egg of your parents that combined to make the new shade of light that you are. When they gave a part of themselves (sperm/egg) their light was upon that mass.

    The resurrection or clearly, 'the fathers/mothers raised to the flesh' is when each become literally aware that as they are alive, each can comprehend they are literally the light of all of their previous generations 'alive and in the flesh' (raised).

    ie....honor thy mother and thy father, is that what you do, is doing it unto them
    correct

    the appreciation of life (heaven) and the pain of 'unknowing' (hell of mind) is within each
    jesus was not 'the christ' (matt 16;20)
    the dead will never be conscious aware of themselves again.

    Think of that kind of death as being just like sleeping; the mind is unaware of itself but the life still lives.
    the memories are of mind yet the actions are alive within nature. What a conscious life imposes to existence, still lives. For example; what jesus left is still existing and likewise, Darwin 'won'. Note the 'good' lives. While the nasties will fade to extinction.
    i agree..... most do not realize, they are literally the light of their previous generations 'alive and in the flesh' as they stand
    hence, you are learning what is real right now!
    to teach another these truths, then you live in the minds you give too.

    ie..... only one enables all in 'the times'


    we are all on the earth and to be capable of living forever, by choice and by the actions you can cause to exist, you can be a king unto the whole tree of life you enable (not of kingdoms and things but of the life ever lasting (your destiny within 'heaven' (where you stand)))
    that's an understatement.

    for example; the good guy many await is literally the bad guy to religious practice. As before it is all over, there will be no religious ritual within mankind.

    likewise, what many await aint a god but just a man to 'reveal'

    know the truth, when you feel it.

    ie... give to live, lie to die

    or purely:

    good (actions a person can cause): support life to continue

    bad: loss to the common


    so honor thy mother and father, by what you do (give them eternal life as you are them, alive and in the flesh)


    it is party time!
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not both?

    All mainstream Christianity recognizes the resurrection of the body.

    What exactly is "after" do you mean immediately after death? There is no "time" in eternity, so how would one measure now or later without the construct of time?

    Ascended means of one's own power--that is true, only Christ ascended. However, God assumes the righteous into heaven by His power.

    The early Church Fathers believed in Heaven and Hell and judgement. When exactly did this "modern Christianity" begin so one can find this supposed error of teaching that you contend?
     
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    You're cut-n-pasting many verses and misconstruing the meanings.
     
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    so magic?....
     
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    My opinion:

    When you die, "next thing you know, you know nothing at all".

    Your body decomposes only to be recycled, returned back to the physical world from which it came. Your thoughts, ideas, and memories briefly live on in others.

    That's all.
     
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    when you sleep, you know nothing at all

    explain

    ie.... the memory of a life, is that lifes memory until conveyed
     
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    But your brain is still ablaze with activity.


    That's simply to say that your physical body, which is composed of the same elements that compose the rest of the universe, goes back to the earth from which it came.

    I don't believe we have a soul, or a self. That's why I say that your memory (the memory others have of you), thoughts, ideas, etc... are the only things which survive you after death.
     
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    Could you not have both the possibility of resurrection and a heaven/hell scenario?
     
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    so is the fart from 2 days before

    kind of like going back to bed, each night
    makes sense as what you did is that per se soul. (what you do/did is your afterlife)

    We are the life that can cause actions within existence and know we did.
     
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    no dead body going to the earth, decompose and come back

    That ideology is garbage. Fact; no such thing as magic!

    we are in both the heaven and hell of existence.

    the garden and then the lies of mankinds creations.

    For example; the pain you will experience when you realize you are in heaven and that you will not be 'raised' from the grave like you wish to believe, is the hell of the ignorant mind.
     
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    It doesn't have to be physical. In Heaven or Hell I'm pretty only our souls would go, and we would have our original body before our death.

    For example, a suicide bomber won't be going to Hell as a pile of exploded body parts. They would be brought back to their form before death and burn for eternity.

    Salam :)
     
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    what soul?

    what is a 'soul'?

    I know, what about you?

    for example;
    That is the pipe dream. TO believe his parts will come back together is a stoned cold lie.

    the reality is, he is already in heaven (within the unverse, here on earth; the garden), where his 'soul' is, is within the minds of all who experienced what he did.

    ie.... you are remembering their deed. That is there spirit upon existence; the soul.

    Kind of like, Darwin, WON! (what he did, lives within the body of mankind)

    The difference of each is, the terrorists contribution, although evidenced does not build for 'life to continue' in the quality of what Darwin contributed.

    Big difference!

    Darwin, will live forever and the terrorist, although within the pyramid of the change, will eventually just be forgotten and remember, as the terrorist are often held in glory (martyr) for some, they are held in contempt by others.

    ie.... now many airports are screening everybody in contempt for what fools did, although per se noble to some, hated by many more, every day!
     
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    I disagree. I have faith.
     
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    I believe you should probbaly do a little more Bible study and perhaps add some of the early Church Fathers to your reading like St Basil. Also cutting out small pieces of scripture is not the way to convince anyone. YOu need more substance if you wish to change Church teachings on things so fundamental.
     
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    Are you a spokesperson for the Jehovah's Witness? Typical cherry picking, 'tis why you have this false belief. There is error, but it's not in the teachings of Jesus. I will agree that too much of modern Christianity teaching is religion gone amuk.
     
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    Our mortal body is temporary though our spirit will be either with the Lord or not. For the Saved, we will have new glorious bodies at the time appointed by Jesus. For the unSaved, their spirit will be forever lost with no hope in a place of their choosing. Some call it hell. No body, so to speak.

    We Christians need to get off this kick about a physical fire burning bodies in hell, it's not physical but it's in the spiritual realm. Of course the writers of the NT described things in the context and wisdom of their time. The Book of Revelations is a good example of what I mean.
     

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