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Abolish the age of consent

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Enoon, Oct 12, 2011.

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Do you think the age of consent should be abolished?

Poll closed Aug 7, 2012.

  1. Yes

    9 vote(s)
    6.4%

  2. No

    124 vote(s)
    87.9%

  3. Other

    8 vote(s)
    5.7%
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  1. Enoon

    Enoon Member

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    Thats just dump.
     
    Enoon, Dec 2, 2011
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  2. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    Since you OP was just dump I suppose it's quite fitting, isn't it?
     
    PatrickT, Dec 2, 2011
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  3. GeddonM3

    GeddonM3 Well-Known Member

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    oh hush, you probably would claim Jerry Sandusky as an expert.
     
    GeddonM3, Dec 2, 2011
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  4. Mia

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    At what age do you think a child is capable of giving true consent to having sex with her father? Or his football coach?
     
    Mia, Dec 2, 2011
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  5. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yup that in fact was the exact story i was thinking about. I absolutely love the fact that he only got 5 years of probation. He said if it were your child you would have done the same thing. And hes absolutely right. I'm glad the court understood that.

    I honestly believe that should be a universal law. If you rape someones child and they kill you then the maximum punishment they can get is probation. I'll be ok with probation seeing how it is murder and all. But no hard time whatsoever.
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 3, 2011
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  6. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    In his eyes its whenever the kid can shake their head yes or no. So Im guessing about...6 months?

    I wouldn't be asking that guy to be your babysitter if I were you...
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 3, 2011
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  7. Mia

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    Good tip :)
     
    Mia, Dec 3, 2011
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  8. Black Monarch

    Black Monarch New Member

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    Wrong. I just believe that it shouldn't be a legal issue.

    The child, of course.

    I have no NAMBLA friends.

    The brain at that age is like the Death Star II. Construction isn't finished, but it's fully armed and operational.

    Your question is faulty because you assume that such a magic number exists at all.
     
    Black Monarch, Dec 3, 2011
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  9. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    What sort of issue should it be then? Should it be between the 10 year old and her 30 year old boyfriend lol?

    What if daddy finds out and decides to kill his daughters new boyfriend, I bet now you want it to be a legal issue dont you.
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 3, 2011
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  10. Black Monarch

    Black Monarch New Member

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    Irrelevant. This is a political forum.

    Yes, murder should remain illegal. Your point?
     
    Black Monarch, Dec 3, 2011
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  11. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    So should child rape...
    You seem to be all about keeping things between the two parties so if you as a grown man should be legally allowed to bang my 10 year old daughter as long as she says "yes" then why can't I legally be allowed to kill you. Lets keep it all internal, what you decide to do with my daughter should be just a legal as what I decide to do about what you did. "You" being hypothetically.
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 3, 2011
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  12. Black Monarch

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    Agreed. Rape should be illegal, whether the victim is a child or not.

    Murder is not ethically equivalent to voluntary sex.

    Apples, oranges... there's a difference. Learn it.
     
    Black Monarch, Dec 3, 2011
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  13. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    You can't voluntarily agree to have sex when you're 6...

    When I was a kid I used to trick my little cousins into giving me their money because they thought that shiny coins were worth more than that paper stuff they had...

    It's really not that hard to get children to do something and say "yes". Rape isn't just forced sex, tricking a kid into having sex with you is also rape by law, and it should stay that way.
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 3, 2011
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  14. Black Monarch

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    Claiming it doesn't make it true.

    First of all, your cousins are retarded. Secondly, this is why the "informed" part of "informed consent" is important.

    You don't have much experience with two-year-olds, do you?

    Agreed. Again, you're talking about de facto rape, which is completely irrelevant to a discussion about statutory rape.
     
    Black Monarch, Dec 3, 2011
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  15. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Ha yeah, so 6 year olds can consent, got it.



    They were I think 2 or 3 years old at the time, my point exactly...What do you mean informed consent? "Hey little kid Im going to have sex with you ok?" "ok". Bam, legal...yeah right


    About getting one to agree with you?

    Statutory rape is when you have sex with a minor, even if its not forced. You are saying that "consent" is subject to debate because there is no hard line age where one is able to consent and when one isn't.

    Don't get me wrong I don't think an 18 year old should get locked up for having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. And most states have some sort of law that says thats alright, some like 4 or 5 year difference in age if they are over 18 or something. But when you start talking about children, young teens, pre teens, elementary schoolers, etc then it's a whole different ball game. I won't be THAT pissed if my 17 year old daughter had an 18 or 19 year old boyfriend. But if my 12 year old comes home with an 18 year old then thats his ass. I don't care if she signed a written letter of consent and gave a recorded verbal testimony on a Bible.
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 3, 2011
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  16. Black Monarch

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent

    Technically, statutory rape is anything that isn't really rape, but is treated as rape by law.
     
    Black Monarch, Dec 3, 2011
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  17. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Informed Consent involving sex:
    "A person may move from friendship to sexual contact on the basis of body language and apparent receptivity, but very few people on a date that results in sexual contact have explicitly asked the other if his or her consent is informed, if he does in fact fully understand what is implied, and all potential conditions or results. Informed consent is implied (or assumed unless disproved) but not stated explicitly."

    So if you start touching on a child and they don't stop you and they go along with it then it's supposed to be alright seeing how their body language agrees...

    I didn't paste the bullet below this one because we all know the law and the discussion is about if the law should be changed. But the above statement is exactly why the law is where it is and shouldn't be changed...
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 3, 2011
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  18. Black Monarch

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    [​IMG]

    And that's all I have to say on the matter.

    None of your statements demonstrate anything of the sort.
     
    Black Monarch, Dec 3, 2011
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  19. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Not anymore than those pedophiles who seek out young girls is about heterosexuality. Really young children aren't especially sexually differentiated. Half of them you wouldn't know what gender they are except by their hair and clothes. So pedophilia isn't really about homosexuality or heterosexuality.

    Not all 18, 19, 20, 21, or even 97 year olds understand what they are consenting to either. Have you ever heard of mental retardation? Have you ever heard of severe dementia? Is it okay to have sex with severely retarded adults when they don't know what's going on? No. So you see there is a better standard than age. Mental capacity and understanding. There might not be a 9 year old out there who both wants and understands sex. But 13 year olds will vary. So, like alleged rape cases where people have sex with retards under questionable circumstances, it should be taken on a case-by-case basis.

    It's a physical interaction. It may be more or less emotional depending upon how you view it, but there's nothing inherently emotional about it. If you look even superficially at history or anthropology, you realize that sex as an emotional act is socially contrived (for better or worse). I love my fiancee, but sex isn't about love for me any more than going mountain biking with her is. It's just something we enjoy.

    Oh great, the "anybody who thinks we should legalize drugs must be a drug addict," "argument." :bored:
     
    LiveUninhibited, Dec 3, 2011
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  20. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    No, absent a refusal, enoon would consider it assent. So, at the time of birth would do.
     
    PatrickT, Dec 3, 2011
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  21. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    You know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't sit here and dodge the issue simply because I'm quoting from the link that you provided which pretty much derails your argument.

    If you start sexually touching a child and they don't stop you then are you considering that informed consent, same as with an adult? Its a yes or no answer man plan and simple.
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 3, 2011
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    Progressives & Far Left are OK with Gay Marrage involving a 43 year old Gay Man and a 15 year old boy ...
     
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    Why do you say that?
     
    bigcrash, Dec 4, 2011
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  24. bigcrash

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    At what age are you talking about?
     
    bigcrash, Dec 4, 2011
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  25. Enoon

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    Why are you repeating yourself?
     
    Enoon, Dec 4, 2011
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