About That Bloodbath: "Electric Cars by BYD".

Wow! And then DeSantis does stunts like put a bunch of immigrants on buses to the North. The R Party is dysfuntional.

 

First of all, that is not the point and looking back at past grudges, win's and losses, is pointless.
Lastly, I and the OP are talking about China using their national check book to lower the cost of cars built south of the border that will be a "few payola's" away for congress to make some bone headed deal and watch them illegally compete us out of 1/3rd of our auto business.

 

They ALREADY BEAT US. They use slave labor in their country….

Now, you understand that US manufacturers use Mexican Labor to build their cars also right ? And the US government subsidizes that also !!!!

So again, whats the difference ?

 

I'm not talking about immigration. Immigrant is a legal status. I'm talking about illegal aliens that are not immigrants they are criminals. It is incumbent upon the government to enforce that law. Not violate it.

It is not incumbent upon the employer to be the government. We're all in debt to the government by hundreds of thousands of dollars and they can't do their ****ing job

 

Yes, we built Fords and GMs cars (called Holdens down here.)

The plants were closed by Ford and GM.

Have you heard of the Bushmaster?

 

if we went after those giving them jobs, they would not come, the right does not want that though - but let's get back on topic, this thread is about the bloodbath

 

some republicans are morons. they prolly just assumed the immigration bill would reduce immigration because they dont pay attention to anything but football. If your argument is that I should approve because republicans approve, you're really wasting your energy.

 

yes, they are.... now they will get nothing... they had a bipartisan deal, now they get nothing thanks to the maga republicans

 

Horse pucky.

https://www.cars.com/articles/repor...d was making noise,the economy tanked in 2008.

Those who fail to study even recent history deserve to look silly. We've already seen big auto bailouts. The industry is reasonably healthy right now. Trump seems hell bent on ruining that. And what about consumers? Who is going to pay double for a car? Honestly, who would Trump's proposed 100% tariff help? Cui bono?

 

Biden has already been of aid to the rank and file of the UAW.

Think of the disaster to both the industry and consumers if Trump actually wins and enacts the 100% tariff. If you really give a damn about American workers, don't vote for Trump. Workers aren't even real people to him, except when he needs their money. (Like I've said since 2015, billionaire, my ass.)

 

Proof, please.

You knew that I would ask, so why not just show us your sources to begin with?

 

Please quote Biden claiming that the border is secure.

The withdrawal from Afghanistan was going to be a clusterfuck regardless of who was president. On the plus side for Biden, only 13 of our soldiers were killed. It could have been much worse.

Yeah, the apartheid arrest story was bullshit. You got him on that.

 

Here you go

 

Here's the person who speaks for Biden.

White House doubles down on Kamala Harris’ claim that border is ‘secure’
https://nypost.com/2022/09/15/white-house-doubles-down-on-kamala-harris-claim-that-border-is-secure/

 

Good, we want to keep solar panels as affordable as possible to encourage Americans to add these wonderful devices to their homes. They are a win-win-win for America, Utility companies, and electricity consumers. Solar keeps electricity costs down for all consumers.

 

Thank you.

Regarding solar panels: I take a pragmatic, centrist view. I understand why Biden vetoed the tariff, because they sell them 20% cheaper than ours. And most of "ours" are being manufactured in Vietnam, Thailand, and Laos. American homeowners can't afford them


https://time.com/6564184/chinese-solar-panels-cost/

"It’s no accident that China is so well positioned to capitalize on this solar boom. In the mid-2000s, China’s government invested hundreds of billions of dollars into developing its renewables manufacturing sector, focusing on what officials have since dubbed “the new three:” electric vehicles, lithium batteries, and solar cells."

We should have done the same at least 20 years ago, but we were too busy attacking a country that was no threat to us.

"Ending China’s dominant position in the global solar market is not possible. It benefits from a massive head start. However, the U.S. should work to loosen China’s chokehold."

Chinese hackers, Russian hackers, North Korean hackers ... all have had their digital fingers in our systems since at least the 90s. Sorry, but you can't blame that one on any particular president. It's a systemic problem that we had better start taking much more seriously.

From your link:

"A new report is now alleging that more covert locations may exist in cities across the US, including in Houston."

Whose new report? The article isn't clear. Alleging that more may exist?

These places did not suddenly crop up when Biden took office. I lived in NYC for about ten years, in the 90s, when Rudy was the mayor. There were stories down in China Town. There were newspaper reports and I remember one SWAT operation. Again, so sorry, but this is not on Biden. At least the current FBI is doing something, so do we give Biden credit for that? Or just Christopher Wray?

 

Stop putting the cart before the horse. Until charging stations are put in place to handle an increase in EV's, until the national power grid is able to handle the increased load, and when cold weather does not limit where EV's can be used then maybe we can talk about the future of EV's. But that is not what Trump is saying. He wants EV manufacturers to stay in the US. It's about good jobs, not about the EV's. Companies will think twice about moving their plants out of the US. Cheap is not always what is best for America. Jobs jobs jobs.

 

If solar energy was the answer to decreased electric bills why haven't Americans bought into solar energy? Solar water heaters are far less expensive yet no one is buying them. Why?

 

Most EV owners do their charging at home.

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The city of Austin did a study - if all the automobiles in Austin were changed to EVs, and charged at night, they would need no additional infrastructure. Indeed, many Utilities charge substantially lower rates during off-peak hours. Here's one example. More EV savings!

EVs don't perform as well in the cold, but neither do Internal Combustion vehicles. But EVs are still drivable. I take mine out on very cold days. I just don't get as much range.

In just about every rally, Trump bad-mouths EVs. His solution for America is "Drill baby drill". He is also a Climate denier.

 

You won't see the Koch Brothers advertise the following. BTW- my background is Electrical Engineering:
1. Voltage loss results in up to 20% of wasted power on the electrical grid. Voltage loss is greater where transmission distances are longer. Also, the higher the flow of current through the conductors, the more the voltage loss. When I produce a surplus with my solar, the current is put back on the grid. My neighbors capture that current. The voltage loss is negligible. By using my generated current, the current provided by the utilities is reduced, lowering their voltage loss.
2. Solar is a peak load producer. Peak load occurs in the summer, between 3-6 pm on hot summer days. Solar is still producing strongly during those hours. Utilities must have enough capacity to meet peak load demands. Studies have shown that, with a lot of solar base, peak loads shift to 6-8 pm. The shift to the later time slot is an advantage to Utilities, because they are past the peak load period. This prevents Utilities from having to build additional power plants.

The two above items are examples of solar's positive contribution to electrical utilities. The more solar installations in the jurisdiction of an Electrical Utility, the more these savings add up. These contributions help to hold down electricity costs for all consumers.

 

I missed the solar water heaters question. I have friends with solar hot water. They paid over $20K for everything, and this was 10 years ago. So they're actually quite costly. A large PV system will set one back about $25-30K (recent quotes). There are a lot of savings to be had with these systems, but they occur over time. The payback can take a long time. Utility companies have been leveraging to change their Net-metering rules so they can make more money. BTW, the solar advantages mentioned in my previous post are not emphasized when Utilities approach their Commission Board's for changes to Netmetering policies. In layman's terms, they blow smoke up their a.... All this has made payback more difficult. Depending on the extent of the Utility's deception, the payback for PVs can be anywhere from 7-15 years. I believe solar hot water would have a longer payback.

 

He can't stop what he can't see coming. He just announced EV's for all. This is Biden speak for letting China in to save the USA from gagging on CO2.
Seriously. If CO2 is poisoning the USA shouldn't you all be buying EV's by now before the hammer comes down in 2030?

 

California leads the world in solar.
Why are our electric bills two times higher than the rest of the nation?

Just for wifie, I'm considering a KIA Sportage plug in hybrid because don't like my Prius any more. 50k to save $75 a month in gas.
BTW, gasoline is the cheapest thing you will ever put in you vehicle.

Lastly, congress will sell us out to China in a heartbeat.

 

Looks like a nice car. Is your drive typically pretty short? I have a Volt that was advertised with a 54-mile electric range. The KIA has a 34-mile range. I now have 85K miles on the Volt, and it's electric range is down to about 42 miles. So a reduction will probably happen over time. Also, accessories (heating and AC) will also lower the electric range. Have you had a hybrid before? Things to love - great pickup gets you places quicker and regenerative braking makes them incredibly more efficient than ICEs. You'll get the $7500 tax rebate - right? Some recommendations.

1. Keep the gas tank filled low for everyday driving. No sense in hauling all that gas around.
2. Use the heated seats in lieu of the car heater, unless defrosting is needed.
3. Do you have solar PVs at home? If not, consider those to offset the increased electric consumption. I want to increase mine from about 5 KWatts to 10 KWatts, which is the max my state allows.
4. Check with your electric utility. Some give bill credits for PHEVs and EVs. Also, some Utilities charge different rates for non-peak usage, and the car can probably be programmed to charge only during those hours.
5. Check with your state. Sometimes they also offer credits.
6. Do you have a 220-Volt charging outlet? I don't but I am adding one soon. At 110-Volt, charging will probably take about 8-10 hours, depending on the previous discharge.

 

I paid $2,000 for my solar water heater for a single family resident. I’d say your friends got ripped off .