"Abstain from bloodshed!"

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  1. elderchild

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    Acts 15:28-29 "It seemed good to The Holy SPIRIT, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things, that you abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood[SHED](#129), and from things strangled, and from fornication, from which if you keep yourselves, you shall do well. May you fare well."

    Acts 21:25 "As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood[SHED](#129), and from strangled, and from fornication."

    Acts 15:19-20 "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not those from among the gentiles that have turned to GOD, but that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood[SHED](#129)."

    "From things strangled" clearly reveals that one is not to partake of the meat of an animal that has been strangled, for the blood("life is in the blood") remains within such meat!

    So "from blood" is redundant if "from things strangled" was correctly translated.

    Simply "from blood" rightly translated would be "from bloodshed"!
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    129 haima (hah'-ee-mah) in strongs:

    of uncertain derivation; blood, literally (of men or animals), figuratively (the juice of grapes) or specially (the atoning blood of Christ); by implication bloodshed, also kindred:
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    129 haima- in thayers:

    1) blood
    a) used of man or animals
    b) refers to the seat of life
    c) used of those things that resemble blood, grapejuice
    2) bloodshed, to be shed by violence, slay, murder
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    Though the multitudes of religious ones reject The TRUTH, TRUTH yet needs be published, for TRUTH rejected in the moment can work in the hearts of those who have received "a love of The TRUTH" as they grow in Grace!

    Matt 5:43-45 "You have heard that it has been said, you should love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.

    But I say unto you, "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you!

    That you may be the children of your Father WHO is in Heaven, for HE makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

    Matt 5:38-42 "You have heard that it has been said, "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth".

    But I say unto you, "that you resist not evil, but whoever smites you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.

    And if any man sues you at the law, and takes away your coat, let him have your cloak also.

    And whoever compels you to go a mile, go with him two.

    Give to him that asks you, and from him that would borrow of you turn him not away."

    It is quite evident that "abstaining" from "bloodshed" is in perfect harmony with both The Teachings and The Life example of The Messiah, and it is well to remember that The Messiah received His Life and His Teachings from "Our Father and GOD"!

    So it was that The Messiah testified, "I can do nothing of Mine Own Self"! (John 5:30)

    And the brethren of The Messiah have realized(experienced) the same.......

    "For it is Our Father and GOD WHO works in you, both the will and the doing of HIS GOOD Pleasure"! (Phlp 2:13)

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     
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    the religious wingnuts of the earth are the reason of the bloodshed.

    Dont you even think of judgment there will not be bloosdshed!

    you'd take the justice out
     
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    Simply, you are a "self" worshiping "religious wingnut"!

    And miltiplied billions have been killed in the name of the god of this or that religion!

    Proving the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
    For life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!

    "Come Out of her(babel/dis-order/babylon\world/religion)", MY people!"

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/08/religion-is-anti-messiah.html

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    So you cite the Old Testament, and ignore all of the verses that not only condone, but encourage blood shed?

    Interesting.
     
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    Context, context and context.
     
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    how is that?

    I like ALL of mankind to be equal and capable.

    it will make for a quality judgment

    and even a concentration camp (gaza) because of religious pukes.
    i like that
    babylon/babilu- is jerusalem (gate of the god)
     
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    First it needs be understood that 'religion' is anti-Truth(Messiah)!

    So it is that the "author of dis-order" most certainly has had his way with you and the multitudes )-;

    Simply, all systems of religion, islam, judaism, buddhist, hindu, catholic, christian, celtic, atheism, etc, are anti-Messiah!

    And religious systems of this world, all alike they are,
    Their deluded adherents have fought, killed and died, both near and far )-;

    And then once a week, or multiple times a day they may pray,
    Yet then as hypocrites they begin each new day )-;

    Days that are filled with deceit and lies,
    For in a religious system Truth can not abide )-;

    And so the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
    Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play )-;

    Multiplied billions have been killed and enslaved in the name of the god(s) of this, or that religion )-;

    Yet religion was, and is yet needful for "disobedient and gainsaying(greedy, covetous) people", "stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart and ears" who would rather have a man, than "Our Father and GOD", speak too and rule over them)-;

    Would be good for you to realize that you are of the braindirtyed "disobedient and gainsaying people", for only then will you realize how truly "poor and needy" you are!

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/taking-bait-and-lie-is-swallowed-hook.html

    Thankfully "Our Father and GOD", HE knows what is best for HIS children, HIS Creation!

    Yet the religious ones chose to follow their own vain "imag"inations as do the atheistic self-worshipers )-;

    As for the "bloodshed" by the jews and all the religious and "disobedient and gainsaying(covetous) people" since?

    Truth testifies, that had the jews of old been obedient, and sought to serve The Creator and seek HIS Will above all else, then HE would have sent hornets before them to drive out their enemies from the natural "promised land".......

    Exodus 23:20-33 Behold, I send an angel before you, to keep you in the way, and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.

    Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not, for he will not pardon your transgressions, for MY Name is in him.

    But if you will indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy unto your enemies, and an adversary unto your adversaries.

    For MY angel shall go before you, and bring you in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, and I will cut them off.

    You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works, but you will utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

    And you shall serve YHVH your GOD, and HE shall bless your bread, and your water, and I will take sickness away from the midst of you.

    Nothing shall cast their young, nor be barren, in your land and the number of your days I will fulfill.

    I will send MY fear before you, and will destroy all the people unto whom you will come, and I will make all your enemies turn their backs unto you.

    For I will send hornets before you, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before you.

    I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against you.

    By little and little I will drive them out from before you, until you be increased, and inherit the land.

    And I will set your boundaries from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river, for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you shall drive them out before you.

    You shall make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.

    And they shall not dwell in your land, lest they make you sin against ME, for if you serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto you."

    Sadly )-; that "golden calf" remains a god unto those who are in, and of this wicked, evil world!

    And religion is yet having it's way with you )-;

    Yet while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......

    Father Help! and HE does.......

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/06/now-nothing-will-be-restrained-from.html

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
     
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    So religion is the anti-Messiah,et you cite religious texts.

    Are you aware of the contradiction here?
     
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    Simply sad for you )-;

    Yet while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
     
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    That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
    (Luke 11:50 KJV)

    Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
    (Luke 22:20 KJV)


    And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.
    (Acts 22:20 KJV)


    G1632
    ἐκχέω, ἐκχύνω
    ekcheō ekchunō
    ek-kheh'-o, ek-khoo'-no
    From G1537 and χέω cheō (to pour); to pour forth; figuratively to bestow: - gush (pour) out, run greedily (out), shed (abroad, forth), spill.

    I think, if he wanted to say bloodshed, he would just say bloodshed, like he did in those other verses.
     
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    Maybe, just maybe, if you read that which you have posted you will recognize how totally unrelated your response was to the original posting.

    Father Help! and HE does.......

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/01/all-biblical-translations-are.html
     
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    I did read it. In fact, I wrote it. It has as much to do with the OP as this:

     
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    Sadly! you are of "the blind seeking to lead the blind" along "the broadway to destruction"!

    Yet while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     
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    Sadly, you are of the kind that can't, or won't communicate intelligibly.
     
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    Once there was a man traveling from Jerusalem to Jericho. He fell among thorns and the thorns sprang up and choked him. As he went on his way he didn’t have no money. Then he met the Queen of Sheba and she gave him a thousand talents and a hundred changes of raiment. Then he got in a chariot and drove furiously. And when he was driving under a big juniper tree his hair got caught in the limbs of that tree, and he hung there many days, and the ravens brought him food to eat and water to drink, and he ate 5000 loaves of bread and two fishes. One night when he was hanging there asleep his wife Delilah came along and cut off his hair, and he dropped and fell on stony ground, but he got up and went on, and it began to rain. And it rained and rained 40 days and 40 nights, and he hid himself in a cave and lived on locusts and wild honey. Then he went on until he met a servant, who said “come take supper at my house”, and he made an excuse and said “no, I can’t. I have married a wife and can’t go”. Then the servant went on into the highways and the hedges and compelled him to come in. After super he went on down to Jericho. When he got there he looked up and saw that old Queen Jezebel sitting down way up high in a window. And she laughed at him, and he said “through her down from there!” And they threw her down. And he said “through her down again!” And they threw her down seventy times seven. And of the fragments which remained they picked up twelve baskets full, besides women and children. And he said blessed are the piece makers. Now, whose wife do you think she will be on that judgment day?
     
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    "Intelligibly"?

    Sadly )-; your way.......

    TRUTH IS the brethren of The Messiah "have received, not the spirit of the world, but The HOLY, SET APART, SPIRIT that is of Our Father and GOD, so that we might know the things which are freely given to us by HIM.

    Which things we also speak, not with the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the The HOLY, SET APART, SPIRIT teaches, comparing Spiritual things with Spiritual!"

    "Your way" was, and is the way of "the natural man who does not receive that which is of The HOLY, SET APART, SPIRIT of Our Father and GOD, for they are foolishness unto you, neither can you know them, because they needs be Spiritually discerned."

    Father Help! and HE does.......

    So while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
     
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    capable of being understood or comprehended

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligible
     
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    merriam-webster is most certainly a god of the multitudes, so it is you have, and will have a lot of company both in the here and now, and unless you repent in the hereafter as well......

    ALL BAD!

    Simply sad for you and all other natural men who play spiritual games )-;

    "Come out from among them and be separate!"

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/01/all-biblical-translations-are.html

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html

    Father Help! and HE does.......

    So while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
     
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    Merriam Webster is a bad dictionary? Or language is bad?
     
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    You can not understand my words for you can not understand my speech!

    So it is that unless you repent, as your company now is, so it will be forever, ALL BAD!

    Father Help! and HE does.......

    So while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
     
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    So, you want me to repent? Is what you've been trying to say? I didn't realize I had offend you. Why don't you tell me what it was?
     
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    You know what you are!

    Simply sad for you )-;
     
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    So instead of addressing the point, you make another non-nonsensical post?

    If religion is the anti-Messiah, then why do you use religious texts as the basis of your argument?

    Address the question.
     
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    Simply sad for you )-;

    Yet while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Hmmmm... I shouldn't have expected anything more than more nonsensical rantings.
     

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