"Abstain from bloodshed!"

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  1. Bishadi

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    knowledge

    Most all contributors to knowledge, are the most humble as they often do it, for the good of all.

    A breed unto 'truth'.
    bull

    each are equally capable. That is where you fail.

    Once principles of 'true' are understood, then any can, if honest and the knowledge is of 'truth'.

    That equality factor is absolute!

    ie... just for any lives to be here, their generations did good.

    appreciate and judge but do not condemn another, to not be capable.

    Punch and idiot in the nose, and often then take a new look.

    I say, each has a choice before every action, that they cause to exist.





    Father Help! and HE does.......

    So while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......[/QUOTE]
     
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    he reminds me of that ezekial.

    but i like the question as i often ponder it myself:

    If religion is the anti-Messiah, then why do you use religious texts as the basis of your argument?


    I see it, that the old literature has metaphors that can be defined today. The concept that prophecy to me is like deja vu, a true capability of the consciousness. It is a property called entanglement, which makes the old works, having merit, a couple thousand years ahead of its time. As if dudes have visions and wrote down what they experienced, before even having the current words to articulate what it meant/was.

    I find the 'visions' written in most every culture on the earth of many items, that make sense, in today's world.





    i cant speak for him, but I like the wisdom of the old books combined with the metaphorical and prophetic aspects.

    ie... adam giving up a rib to make and eve/cell-division (a life must give a portion of itself to live into the next generations: a fact of nature (god itself))


    I like that stuff and find wisdom can be learned of the old lessons.

    dan 7:8

    judaism, christianity, islam: 3

    yet i be here, right in the middle of 'em

    rev 22:4

    just weird, that an idiot could have the name (between the ears)
     
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    Simply, you're naught but a sad, sick worldly minded man )-;

    And unless you repent your sickness is unto the death!

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/01/all-biblical-translations-are.html

    And while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     
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    So, I know what I am, and you are sad about that?

    Do you mind if I try and summarize?

    Language is a god. If I've taken that too far, and you really just believe that Merriam Webster is a god, then let me know which dictionary is not a god and I'll use that one. I assume you agree that that idol worship is wrong, so communication is idolatry, and we should stop doing it.

    You want me to repent. Do you expect me to know what that means?

    You are sad that I know what I am. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Is there any way you can help me understand without sinning?
     
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    The problem with prophecies is that they are so vague every generation can apply them to something. People have been using Revelations to predict the end of the world for the last 2,000 years, the last generation is just as certain as this generation will be, that they are indeed the final generation.

    I place absolutely no value on prophecy.
     
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    what about entanglement? (property of em (light))


    deja vu, ever had them?

    i am just applying a 'possible' to real world application and experience, of course
     
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    True, the issue of deja vu is interesting.

    I have only lightly researched the issue. The most down to earth and demonstrable explanation is a misfiring of the brain. The most far reaching explanation invoking the multi-verse theory.

    I am not sure how prophecy ties in the entanglement.
     
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    You know what you are!

    Simply sad for you
     
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    Someone had written: "When I talk about people buying or being sold 'absolute junk' I'm not only talking about the material but also about the ideological. We are 'sold' on consumerism, the wars (Iraq), elections (the presidency), all manner of things. Unfortunately, so few people see that just because these ideas are on sale, that they don't actually have to buy them!"

    Sadly, the multitudes have bought The LIES )-;

    Those of this world have taken the bait(so called "ease of life") and The LIES have been swallowed(believed),

    hook(money),

    line(education/religion/media),

    and sinker(progress/technology) )-;

    And most certainly things are getting 'progress'ively worse and worse, just as was prophesied. (2Tim3:13)

    And this place they call the u.s. of a. is the "bait"master, for they catch their "fish" in every nation of this world ;-( Yet in england, france, germany, japan, etc, in all nations of this wicked world, there are those who have become disciples of the "bait"master and they also have found other "waters" in which to catch their "fish" )-;

    And so it is that today there are multitudes in every nation under the sun that have taken the bait(ease of life), and swallowed(believed) the hook(money), the line(education/religion/media) and the sinker(progress/technology) )-;

    Tempted, hooked, reeled in, and held captive as they but serve "time" in the prison that is this wicked world )-;

    Simply, they could not withstand the media blitz(krieg), and their "imag"ination got the best of them )-;

    Some two thousand years past The Truth bore witness to the fact that, "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one"! (1John5:19)

    Yet, the "fish" continue to seek out that "good" place in the world, when in Truth the world today is but the product of mankind's "imag"ination, a dry and thirsty land of mirages, nothing but shadows )-;

    And in this wicked world, "image"s abound and are worshipped )-;

    So why receive that which is of mankind's "imag"ination?

    Even when such is supposedly "free" there will always be a price to pay, for mankind's "imag"ination is destroying Creation(air, water, land, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Truth, Light, Life, Love, Peace, Hope, Grace, Faith,,,, All that is Truly Good) )-;

    continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/taking-bait-and-lie-is-swallowed-hook.html

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Simple-and-Spiritual-Life/208339295850609
     
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    because each of us, comprehend the experience, but NONE of the medical or any published rendition of how and why they occur, has been proven?

    can you agree?

    basically an undefined phenomenon, in the literal sense!
    some call epileptic siezures the same thing.


    which is the same explanation for many flavors of 'uncertainties'.

    religious folk, claim 'god spoke' to them. Hence the prophecies/theology of torah, bible, quran (gabby angels).

    again, it is pretty universal experience to just about anyone, conscious, except the extremes of the event/experience can range in time periods.


    it is a property of em (light), proven to cause a 'spooky action at a distance'

    information does convey, that can be identifiable (no matter the spin or description).

    I claim, the energy that even makes us alive is em (light) and not some stupid 'potential difference' of a 'charge'.

    So light is what is upon every element/molecule in the whole of the universe and entangled to all other, no matter the time and place.
     
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    "In The Beginning" The Creator(Our Father and GOD) said;

    ""Let There Be Light", and There Was Light" (Gen 1:3)

    Our Father and GOD, HE WHO "IS LIGHT" Begot Light! (Jn 1:5)

    "The Beginning of The Creation of Our Father and GOD!"

    And the revelation that The Messiah received of The Creator(Our Father and GOD) and gave unto the apostle John, bore witness unto The Truth that The Messiah, was "The Beginning of the Creation of GOD(Our Father, Creator of ALL)”! (Rev 1:1, 3:14)

    LIGHT begot Light!

    And The Messiah bore witness of His Brethren when He testified, “My GOD is your GOD and My Father(Creator) is your Father(Creator).” (Jn 20:17)

    Thankfully "Our Father and GOD" indeed and Truth!

    The Messiah testified “I have sent My angel to you with this testimony for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David. I am the bright Morning Star(Light)”! (Rev 22:16) )

    Peter testified, "We have the more sure word of prophecy; and you do well to take heed, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns, and The Morning Star(Light)arises in your hearts."(2Pt 1:19)

    "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, HIS own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of HIM who called you out of darkness into His marvelous Light."(1Pt2:9)

    And the evening(darkness) and The Morning (Light) was the First Day).” (Gen 1:5)

    LIGHT Begot Light!

    “The Beginning of The Creation of GOD”!

    It is very important to both know and experience The Messiah as He Is, Was and always Will Be, and also to know the "glory He had with Our Father" before He was born in "the likeness of sinful flesh". (John 17:5, Rom 8:3)

    For The Messiah Was, Is, and always Will Be, The Son of The Living GOD(Our Father)”!

    First, let me simply state that I do not believe the "catholic” and “christian" theo’ry’logical doctrines concerning “The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL”. For they “imag”ine a three-headed pagan “GOD" they call their “trinity”, or they declare their "imag"ined "christ" to be their “god and father", or they believe that The Messiah was but an exalted messenger(angel) or prophet -or- ?

    John The Baptist testified, “And I saw, and bare record that The Messiah is the Son of GOD(Our Father, Creator of ALL).” (John 1:34)

    Peter testified, “You are The Messiah, The Son of The Living GOD(Our Father, Creator of ALL)”! (Matt 16:16)

    And the Ethiopian eunuch testified, “I believe that The Messiah is The Son of GOD(Our Father, Creator of ALL)”. (Acts 8:37)

    “Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the Heavens, The Messiah, The Son of GOD(Our Father, Creator of ALL), let us hold fast our profession.” (Heb 4:14)

    “These things are written so that you might believe that The Messiah is The Son of GOD(Our Father)”. (John 20:31)

    The Messiah testified that He was “The Son of GOD”, and that His GOD was “The Only True GOD(Our Father, Creator of ALL)”. (John 10:36,17:3)

    And The Messiah also testified that He was the “Son of man” and “The Light of the world”. (Matt 26:64, John 8:12)

    It is needful to believe that The Messiah Was, Is and always Will Be "The Son of The Living GOD", and that there is “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, HE WHO is Father(Creator) of ALL”. (Mat 16:16, John 17:3, Eph 4:6)

    The Messiah bore witness of His brethren when He testified after being “raised from among the dead”, “I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My GOD and your GOD” (John 20:17)

    Is The Messiah’s "Father and GOD" your "Father and GOD"?

    Are you of The Messiah's brethren?

    “Let There Be Light”

    Once again, It is very important to both know and experience The Messiah as He Was, Is and always Will Be. The Messiah simply testified in John 17:5 "And now O Father, glorify Me with YOUR own self with the glory that I had with YOU before the world began”.

    Prior to that testimony The Messiah had testified, “Yet a little while is The Light with you. Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness comes upon you: for he that walks in darkness does not know where he goes. While you have Light, believe in The Light, that you may be the children of LIGHT.” (John 12:35-36)

    And the apostle John bore witness to The Truth in John 1:1-13: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and The Word was GOD. (John did not testify that The Word [is] GOD)!

    The same was in the beginning with GOD.

    All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

    In Him was Life; and The Life was The Light of men.

    And The Light shined in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    There was a man sent from GOD, whose name was John.

    The same came for a witness, to bear witness of The Light, that all men through Him might believe.

    He(John the baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

    That was the True Light, which enlightens every man that comes into the world.

    He(The Messiah) was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.

    He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.

    But as many as received Him, to them He gave power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name:

    Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of "The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL"."

    It is needful to realize that The Messiah testified of “The Only True GOD” in John 17:3, and so it is that The GOD and Father of The Messiah IS, WAS and always WILL BE “The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD”.

    “And The ONE and Only True GOD” is “Father(Creator) of ALL”!

    And “The Father(Creator) of ALL” is “Our Father”, HE WHO IS “The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD” and Father(Creator) of The Messiah and His brethren.

    And the apostle John testified in John 3:17-21: “For Our Father did not send HIS Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    He that believes on Him is not condemned, but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in The Name of the only begotten Son of GOD(Our Father, Creator of ALL).

    And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.

    For every one that does evil hates The Light, neither comes to The Light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    But he that does Truth comes to The Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in GOD(Our Father, Creator of ALL.”

    In John 12:34 the people asked, “Who is this Son of man?

    Then in John 12:35-36, “The Messiah said unto them, yet a little while is The Light with you. Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness come upon you. For he that walks in darkness does not know where he goes.

    While you have Light, believe in The Light, that you may be the children of LIGHT(Our Father and GOD)! The Messiah spoke these things, and departed, and hid Himself from them.”

    Simply, "In The Beginning" The Only True GOD spoke The Word, "Let There Be Light", “And there was Light”! “And there was evening(darkness) and there was morning (Light), The First Day”. (Gen 1:5)

    Certainly such “Light” was not "natural" light, for “natural” light, the sun, moon, and stars were not created until the “fourth day”. (Gen 1:14-19)

    "In the beginning", “The First Day”, GOD(HE WHO IS LIGHT) created "The Light", without which Creation and Life, as we now know and experience it, could not have been.

    The First Day, “The Light” that is The Messiah was created, "The beginning of the Creation of GOD(HE WHO is The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD and Father of ALL)”! (Gen 1:3, Rev 3:14, John 17:3, Eph 4:6)

    And “The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD” created all “things” in, of, by, through “The Light” that is The Messiah, “The Son of The Living GOD” and “Son of man”! (Col 1:15, Eph 3:9, Mat 16:16, Mat 12:32)

    LIGHT begot Light!

    And "The True Light which enlightens every man coming into the world", was born "in the likeness of sinful flesh" as a child destined to be The Messiah. (John 1:9, Mat 1:21, Rom 8:3)

    The Messiah, “The Light of the world”. (John 8:12, 9:5)

    The Messiah, "The firstborn of all Creation". (Col 1:15)

    The Messiah, “Begotten of Our Father”, "The firstborn among many Brethren". (Heb 1:5) (Ps 2:7) (Rom 8:29)

    The Messiah, "A servant of The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD(Father(Creator) of ALL)". (Isa 42:1-7)

    The Messiah, “The Lamb of GOD”. (John 1:29,36)

    The Messiah, "The firstborn from among the dead".(Col 1:18)

    Once again: "In The Beginning" Our Father, “The Only True GOD” said:

    ""Let There Be Light", and there was Light"!

    The Messiah, "The Beginning of the Creation of GOD", "the firstborn of All Creation". (Gen 1:3, John 17:3, Rev 3:14, Col 1:15)

    All Thanks and Praise Be Unto “Our Father and GOD”!

    The Messiah, The Creation of "The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father of ALL"! (Rev 3:14)

    The Messiah, "made so much better than the angels"! (Heb 1:4)

    The Messiah, "The Light of the world"!(John 8:12, 9:5)

    “The Lamb of GOD”, “The Light of The New Heavenly Jerusalem”! (Rev 21:22-23)

    Continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2010/06/let-there-be-light.html

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     

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