Accepting the Risks

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Its not a human being, its not even conscience.
     
  2. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Examples???
     
  3. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't have to be. It is biologically a human being.
     
  4. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Probably inappropriate, but you are just being coy anyway! :wink:
     
  5. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    That tends to be why its called 'sexual intercourse'. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    No I am not.

    So is the scab on my lip, its DNA matches my own. A clump of cells is hardly a human being; it does not think; it does not feel; it is not conscience. It does not attain "personhood" until those attributes are present.
     
  7. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    "personhood" is a phony arbitrary threshold created by abortion promoters. It has no real relevance. :bored:
     
  8. prometeus

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    In light of that the founding fathers were abortion promoters?
     
  9. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    WHat are you babbling about?
     
  10. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    The founding fathers used person-hood in the Constitution.
     
  11. Whaler17

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    REally? What age threshold did they use to "grant personhood"?
     
  12. prometeus

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    Birth.
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  13. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    REally? So Roe is inconsistent with our founding fathers?
     
  14. prometeus

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    I am not sure what you are implying here. Why not be a bit clearer and explain your ideas?
     
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    Roe does not withold "person" status until birth!
     
  16. prometeus

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    Roe does not address personhood at all and most certainly it does not contradict the birth threshold.
     
  17. Whaler17

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    Well certainly it does. Why else would it prohibit abortions after a certain age of the child in utero?
     
  18. prometeus

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    does it? Where? Please quote the relevant part of the decision.

    It does not.
     
  19. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once again you illustrate your profound misunderstanding of Roe. Roe is not a law, it is a court ruling. It ALLOWS states to prohibit abortions after viability, but does not require that prohibition. A few states do not prohibit late-term abortions.
     
  20. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    You clearly misunderstand our legal system. A Supreme Court ruling is the equivalent of a law.
     
  21. prometeus

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    It still looks like you are not well versed with the Roe decision. I am still waiting for you pointing out where the court is contradicting the birth threshold
     
  22. Whaler17

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    "but that right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the mother's health. Saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the mother's current trimester of pregnancy.."

    "The Court later rejected Roe's trimester framework, while affirming Roe's central holding that a person has a right to abortion up until viability.[2] The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid," adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[3]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

    It seems as though YOU don't know much about Roe.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    States are NOT REQUIRED to enact those limits. They may and most states have chosen to do so, but it is not mandatory.
     
  24. Unifier

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    Do you have a problem with getting frequently raped? Because I'm not sure what else you'd be alluding to here.
     
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    Actually I do and that is why you are mistaken about this.

    You said:
    you also said that
    then you posted the quote that states: "but that right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the mother's health."

    For one, there is still no reference to birth or personhood. Second, the state's interest is still up to the state and not mandated, which clearly negates your assertion that it was law.
    And last, the state's interest hardly amounts to anything resembling personhood.
     

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