Achievements of Putin's Russia

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Hi folks,

    can you post anything mass-produced in Russia which is being sold in the Western countries and can be competitive here. I'm talking about machines, electrical devices etc.Except Gaz, Wood, Oil, Steel, Vodka, Caviar and other commodities I know nothing.For Information it were thousands of products which were being sold here to USSR-Time.

    I think twelve years were enough for Putin to resurrect manufacturing in Russia.
     
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    how about Russian brains? lol
    Unfortunately the industrial potential of the country has fallen into decay. And Russia mostly consumes soviet industrial heritage. Though Russia's still the second largest arms exporter. Btw Ostap, Russia signed a contract to send a big supply of "Saiga" semi-automatic, shotguns to your law enforcement. 4150402.jpg
    But i'm afraid that our “effective managers” will run this sector into the ground soon.
     

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    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Russia has mostly dumb thieves instead of good managers, who stole Russian money and hide it in off-shores.If Russia will not have a good manufacturing again it will cease out to exist, not later as in ten or fifteen years. The Putin's "economy" is an economy of commoditiy selling, it can not save the country. Russia needs more pro-western patriots who were educated in USA or EU as managers, but Putin's regime do not needs them.
     
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    All the reports indicate that Russia is lacking in business innovation which suggests that the brains are leaving Russia in droves --- which is common knowledge --- and that the clever boys are more involved in the Black economy .
    Putin and his pals have put organised crime under new ownership --- him plus his cronies based in Gazprom HQ-- and bought everybody to heel . He can't even be bothered to properly invest in Oil and Gas and when those income sources decline , the country is in serious trouble . It could be in a financial disaster zone within five years and now regardless of whether Putrid is in power or not .
    The biggest single manpower mistake they have made is sidelining Kudrin -- the one guy who understood matters .
     
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    Why should he resurrect manufacturing?
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    I think its kind of stupid of the OP to ask what achievements have been made by Putin when his government is clearly more a criminal organization than a democratic institution.
     
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    You are right . But I suspect Ostap is well aware of the correct answer but just wanted a few loyal people to waffle about --- Actually I am not sure there is much to waffle about unless the FSB boys have had a decent pay rise !! But why pay them when they can steal with near impunity ?
     
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    In my view our Russian so-called “elite” is like the British colonial administration in India. They have a good business, profitable seats in government bodies in Russia and their money in offshore. Many of the top Russian businessmen, politicians and officials keep a property and their families in the Western countries . These guys’re real cosmopolitans.
     
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    That is the type of nonsense I would expect a young inexperienced Russian to believe .
    You are right that Russia lags along way behind more enlightened countries like the UK in its overall culture and basic attitudes .
    But the British great men never directly schittied on their own people in the way that Putrid and his mafia friends do .
    And our great men made themselves rich while bringing back new industries to the UK .
    Something which the Putrid gang can never be accused of doing .
    And of course whilst our Empire builders colonised our conquests , the Russians we give asylum to simply only live as a colony -- an entirely different matter .
    Another piece of general help for you .
     
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    Ray, were you born a fool or did you have to work on it?
    Much of UK's wealth has always been generated by the exploitation of their colonies.
     
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    They are much worst because even Britain did not wish the totally destroying of India like Kremlin it do.
     
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    Only very few businessmen own property in the western countries, Russian officials and politicians are those who stole $$$ billions and purchase everything they want.
     
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    Here you can find a lot of businessmen who are into politics or got a seats in govt bodies. And a lot of top officials and politicians are the biggest benificiaries in Russia. It’s just kleptocracy.
     
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    Yep, you're right, I completely agree with you.A such Regime can not exist too long.
     
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    Yep. Your political scientist Bzezhinsky said a good thing.
    “If 500 billion dollars that belong to the Russian elite is stored in American banks, then, please, make it clear first whose elite that is: yours or ours”. ©
     
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    What is Russian "elite"?

    Officials, probably 70 %.
    Politicians, 20 - 25 %.
    The little rest are businessmen.

    If somebody works as a middle official by a russian middle authority he/she can in the most of cases almost always afford himself / herself a nice bank account, house, health care and children education in the reaches western countries and even trow $100 tips to any small waiter or taxi-driver.
     
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    It’s much more complicated than that. The business, politics, power, govt service… these things are all rolled into one in Russia. For example, who are these guys? 280px-DYOR5284.jpg 220px-Igor_Shuvalov_-_World_Economic_Forum_Annual_Meeting_2011.jpg 220px-Prokhorov2009.jpg 220px-Roman_Abramovich_2.jpg
    Businessmen? Politicians? Officials? In my view it’s just kleptocratic “octopus”.
     
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    You're right, Russia is on the good way to became a Huge Mafia State without Law and not corrupted authorities. If not Putin's Regime, than ordinary Russians would be more reacher and prosperously.
     
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    You guys are missing the point , when Putin came to power exports (mostly energy) made up 20% of Russia's GDP but in 2007 it only made up 8.7% of GDP & Putin achieved this at a time of rising oil & gas exports & prices going though the roof. There have also been a lot of big investments in Russia & international partnerships including some by US companies.

    http://www.getnetworth.com/vladimir-putin-net-worth/
     
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    Some well-placed sources say that in 2011 the export of raw materials, primary processing of mineral raw materials and nuclear energy made up about 20% of Russia's GDP.

    And yes, thanks to the rising oil and gas prices Russia got rather good budget . But our “elite”steal huge amounts of money. Also, according to the Russian Central Bank report the Russian private sector’s net capital outflow reached 84 billion dollars in 2011.

    That’s great. But a lot of Russian enterprises have fallen into decay.
     
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    As to investments in Russia. You know that Luxemburg, Cyprus and Netherlands are the largest foreign investors in the Russian economy? Isn't that strange?

    There is a suspicion that the Russian businessmen pulling money out of the country, and then sending them back under the guise of foreign investments.
     
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    I do not believe that Russian business hide money in Holland because Dutch people are themselves good businessmen. But I agree with Cyprus and Luxemburg.
     
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    It’s much more complicated than that. You know Russian businessmen have transferred to Netherlands over $20 billion roughly. Yes, many large companies like Royal Dutch Shell, Unilever, Heineken etc have invested their money in Russia. But there's no doubt that Russian businessmen were behind Dutch investments. Also there are a lot of subsidiaries of Russian companies in the Netherlands.
     
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    quoting Wikipedia: "By an accounting identity, Country A's NCO is always equal to A's Net Exports, which is also equal to the net amount of A's currency traded in the foreign exchange market over that time period."

    So Russia has a positive balance of trade, which seems a quite good sign for the future... assuming you would rather have numbers like Norway, Finland, Germany, or most of Northern Europe have had (most especially pointing to the 2000-2008 period); rather than the kind of numbers Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, the Baltics, Hungary, etc. had.
     
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    Yes, that’s great. But I just compared overseas investments in the Russian economy with capital outflow from Russia.
     

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