Activist files legal challenge to disqualify Trump from 2024 presidential race in Michigan

I don't think it would be a stupid "game".

What's "never really been answered"? I supplied a quote, if you're going to make a claim shouldn't you too?

I don't find the string you're quoting, I see that with regard to 1/6/2021 there are many possibilities listed, but not "It's never really been answered.".

 

Who's your top guy?? Let's have his reasoning... (Please PLEASE tell me it's either Turley or Dershy)

Here's the view from the our side, for your ignoring pleasure...

Federalist Boys
https://newrepublic.com/article/174977/baude-paulsen-trump-14th-amendment

Tribe/Luttig
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...onstitutionally-prohibited-presidency/675048/

 

Consider me skeptical.... hopefully, he can get down to that dream weight with a much longer visit to the FCJ...

 

He might go 215, if he had an assendectomy and liposuctioned his gut.

I know his dietician told him; "don't eat anything fatty".

He asked; "like ... Ice cream?"

She said:" No, I mean, don't eat anything ... Fatty."

 

Key word is reasonable, and what is reasonable when politics involved is no longer reasonable. The lefts perspective is completely based on hate based motive assignment. You absolutely need more than that for a reasonable charge to occur.

No Trump is not responsible for that anger, that os your perspective that isn’t based on any rationale. He is entitled to his opinion, and giving his opinion isnt grounds for claiming he is responsible for the actions of others. So no, Trump is not responsible for the protest, as their actions were not his, and he told them to go home peacefully.

your entire argument is based in the idea that Trump is responsible for other peoples actions. A standards you have never applied to any leftist politician.

The fascism of the left is showing. You should be ashamed for supporting it, even if you somehow genuinely don’t realize you are.

 

LINK: Judge dismisses 14th Amendment lawsuit against Trump on Florida ballot (palmbeachpost.com)

And the rest will be shot down just as readily.

 

Okay, that's fine, now why don't you state your case, tell us how you view the issue, offer a counter argument to my point or points, and if you can, give examples and/or some links to supplement your view?

Speak up, mon, isn't that what we are here for?

 

For standing, she didn't rule on whether or not section 3 of the 14th applies. She stated that one individual cannot sue another for their participation in 1/6 as that person was unaffected by their participation. That 'standing' issue may change on the president of the United States, since his policies affect everyone, but then there's the thorny issue of, well, does standing mean only those who are in office where their policies affected the person suing. That would mean no one would have standing until the person was occupying the presidency and made policies that harmed whoever was suing. On the other hand, Trump was prez for 4 years, and his trolling dems daily, stressed me, personally, out and maybe then I could sue for pain and suffering? I think I could, hmmmm Hey, I got an idea, a class action suit on behalf of ALL democrats! (but that would set a terrible precedent, so, maybe not).

If that is how lawsuits are going to turn out, note that the argument made by the two Federalist Society (they wrote an op ed in the Atlanta) legal scholars (conservative, I might add) said that only the officials who decide who goes on the ballot (such as a State SoS), they can, per the Constitution, disqualify anyone that comports to section 3 of the 14th, and the only recourse would be for Trump to sue to remain on the ballot which means that it would rise to SCOTUS and they would decide (but they might not grant cert due to the humungus hot potato that case would represent, not to mention all the flack that SCOTUS endured when they literally picked the prez [Bush] on Dec 12, 2000 [see Gore v Bush] , and so they just might let the lower court's ruling stand and not be the court who picks the prez, I mean, that's a lot of pressure).

However, A New Mexico state court judge ruled that the founder of the group “Cowboys for Trump” must be removed from his post as an Otero County commissioner due to his participation in the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/couy-griffin-january-6-new-mexico-judge-14th-amendment/

 

Especially since the only two they can find to support their view are Turley and Dershowitz, two of the most wishy washy 'scholars' (no offense to scholars) in the pundit line up.

 

Sure he is,
Trump even admits he incites rage in people:



President Trump is practically, and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day [Jan 6], no question about it. The people that stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their President. And, having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hypole, which the defeated President kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet earth.--Mitch McConnell

The juggernaut of rage experienced by the rioters came from somewhere.

From where do you suppose it came? The Easter Bunny?

They were chanting 'stop the steal'. 'hang mike pence', and in their rage, people died and hundreds injured.

Who, do you honestly believe, gave them this idea, which erupted like a volcano into rage?

Who, might I ask?

Could it be Donald Trump, who.....

,...inculcated 'Democrats Stole The election" in to the minds of his base, in rally after rally, for a year or so, prior to the first ballot ever being cast? Hell, in August of 2020, BEFORE the first ballot was cast, Trump proclaimed "the only way democrats can win is if they rig the election', which he still repeats, to this day.

ANd you think one fleeting mention of 'peaceful and patriotic' is going to get Trump off the hook? It might get a carp off the hook, but not a whale off the harpoon. Did we not witness him, Mo Brooks, Giuliani, whip them up into a frenzy and send them off to the capitol, to 'fight like hell or they might lose their country'?

With these ingredients, what could possibly go wrong? Hmmmm?

Think about 'being honest with yourself'.

Free speech has it's limits. You are not free to incite a mob to commit mayhem, and that it is an 'opinion' doesn't change that fact..

Fascism? Listen to you. It was Trump who conspired with six wacko lawyers (per Pence's description) in an elaborate scheme to overturn the election and DISRUPT the peaceful transfer of power. And, But for Trump, there would have been no attack on the capital, and you're accusing the left of 'fascism'. Talk about Orwellianism, i.e., up is down, black is white, good is bad, and the left are 'fascists'. Give me a break.

"A mob was assaulting the capitol in HIS name, these criminals were carrying HIS banners, hanging on HIS lies, and screaming their loyalty to HIM....."

...Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader

a teaspoon of good will does not get a TRUCKLOAD of ILL WILL off the hook,

It might get a carp off the hook, but not a whale off the harpoon.

That is perfectly reasonable. McConnell's statements are perfectly reasonable, and he is the Republican minority leader of the Senate.

Sorry, but there it is.

 

Calling either a”scholar” is insulting to scholars. Calling either a hack political pundit is an injustice to hack political pundits everywhere. Turley is as predictable as clockwork whenever an intelligent “scholar” comes out in defense of OUR Constitution or Government BY The People, if it’s not right wing dogma, Turley, with the personality of a movie mortician, will be the next talking head up to undermine them. Dershowitz is just a mean little barky dog that says everything the right loves to hear … on cue.

 

Dershowitz really lost credibility with some of his wacko arguments for Trump during the impeachment.

 

You keep hanging onto what those nitwits say.

If a State AG goes through with this suggestion and removes Trump from the ballot he WILL be violating Trumps Rights to due process. Why? Because the AG is doing it based on him being accused of a crime. And the government cannot prematurely restrict a persons "life, liberty, or property" based on the accusation of a crime alone. They MUST prove the crime in a court of law. Everyone, you, those nitwits you keep pointing to (just because they're conservative is irrelevant), EVERYONE knows that you cannot be deprived of life, liberty, or property based solely on the accusation of a crime. It MUST be proven in a court of law. That has been the standard since the founding of this Nation. But Trump Haters hatred has blinded them to this FACT. Not opinion. FACT. Or rather, they're not blinded, so much as purposefully ignoring the whole of the Constitution while trying to bastardize one small part of it. Which makes them worse than ANYTHING they accuse Trump of. EVEN if Trump is all the things they say he is.

 

The question is whether a lawsuit constitutes due process. Why wouldn't it?

 

Probably true.... but SOMEBODY has to have standing and it probably needs to start in a state court too...

I think this Michigan path is the best, don't you?

 

I would say he hasn’t been found guilty of a crime yet. I would also say Jan 6th was not an insurrection. Would you really want to legally define an insurrection something that obviously started out as a protest and turned into a riot? How many of those have happened in our history? And how many more will likely happen again? If you are willing to define this as an insurrection then how many other politicians will be barred from supporting BLM protests that turned violent?

 

It was dismissed on”standing”. So, maybe not.

 

1. As has been pointed out at least a dozen times in this thread, the constitution doesn't say he has to.
2. You would be wrong
3. Legal definition not required, much like impeachment.
4. None (to overturn a government)
5. Hopefully none, but you guys want to put him in that position again.
6. None

 

Protests that turn into riots happen all the time. It will happen again and it’s completely ignorant to claim a protest will never turn into a riot again. And I would take him over Kamala Harris any day of the week. So would many more. There are polls that suggest a tie so I don’t think I’m the only one who thinks that way.

 

I said hopefully none if it will happen again... if it does, we know which side will initiate it...

 

U.S. President's don't conspire to overturn an election, they lost, to retain power and ... possibly even overthrow their government with the goal of becoming a ruler for life; that was his goal anyway; all the time.
You would take a traitors, divisive weasel over a duly elected VP that has, previously, shown she's pretty adept at management? Well, thank god we had patriots like Raffensperger and Barber standing in "him's" way ... and ... yours and the rest of the MAGrates that are overcome with the lunacy of "alternative" facts reality.

 

It was never his goal to overthrow the government via insurrection. That’s a far fetched view. He did want his VP to do something the constitution does not permit. If you made that claim I wouldn’t deny it. He didn’t however call for an insurrection, not once! He called for a protest and emphasized peaceful while he called for it.

 

a few things come to mind as I read the various comments:

If Trump wins, it will not be good for the country or the world as his agenda is based on revenge and favoring the dictators on the planet.
If he loses, he will probably repeat the stolen election crap again , but wit more animosity..........and continue to keep himself in the forefront of the mdia , taking away attention from any accomplishments that would be made by the resident POTUS. ( as he has done for the past four years.)
Trump is like Pandora's box. Once opened ..........well , you get the picture.

 

You have no feet to stand on if you want to talk facts. Cause like I said before he never called for an insurrection. Secondly yes I would take him over her all day long and by polling half of America would as well. Kamala has shown zero skill at management where in the heck did you get that? She slept her way to the top. What has she managed?

 

It AbsaByGodLutely was.